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Monty is arguing that whites have an advantage even with those things in place and that's what Arathain is responding to.

In any case, no, the playing field would be roughly equal if those things didn't exist. I say roughly because we're talking about matters that can't really be quantified.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Apparently thats the way it's search engine is set up. Here's the parameters of the search:

99th Congress
crack cocaine

Then find the bill with 301 co-sponsors.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

From Wikipedia -

George F. Will, a conservative American political columnist, gives this definition of "white guilt":

White guilt is a form of self-congratulation, where whites initiate "compassionate policies" toward people of color, to showcase their innocence to racism.

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Sounds about right to me.

My personal experience is minorities, specifically around here blacks and Hispanics, are caught committing more crimes than their white equivalents. This doesn't mean there are fewer whites doing the crimes, just that they are better at not getting caught. Getting caught leads to trial and conviction rates being higher. The one exception seems to be the recent Georgian (former Soviet) immigrants. Again, while not representative of their people as a hole, the Georgian bad boys don't seem to have figured out how not to get caught.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

I don't know what the solution is. But I know that when I was in college probably 4/5 of the black students in my classes would not be there if it wasn't for quotas. And they weren't lazy/stupid either, at least not most. They came from schools that taught them nothing, their culture doesn't value academic achievement, and their parents didn't have the knowledge to be able to fill in the gap. Most of them tried harder than everyone else in the class but they still ended up last or close to it. You just can't succeed when you're going into college with the equivalent of everyone else's eighth grade education.

None of which is a reason for quotas or special preferences. Look at your complaints: Cultural lack of value on education, parents that are no help, and probably due to that is why the schools taught them nothing; even in a shitty school you can get enough of an education to succeed somewhere better if you have the motivation and family support.

None of that is due to racism.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Interesting. At my college 4/5s of the students were black (I went to an urban school in Cleveland) and about 85% of them never showed up to class, one threatened the teacher with assault in front of all of us, one stated quite loudly that she was only there to collect government checks, but they all were passed with at least a C.

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And obviously those resources well used on those coming in last of close to it? They obviously deserved all of the resources more than others who would have donebetter.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I think you guys are talking past each other a bit on the crime stats. My understanding is that: (i) white people commit more crimes in total, given that whites are the majority; (ii) black people commit more crimes per capita; and (iii) when an individual is accused of committing a crime, he/she is more likely to be convicted and receive a harsher sentence if he/she is black.

Not at all, RD. That is entirely socio-economic.

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Blacks are more likely to be convicted and receive harsher punishment because they commit more crimes per capita. Any given individual is not more likely not be convicted for a specific crime if they are black. The reason is socioeconomic; blacks are more likely to be poor, and therefore more likely to commit crimes. The crimes they commit are more likely to be serious, especially violent ones. This results in harsher sentences.

Poor people of any race are more likely to end up convicted of crime for the same reasons.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Not to mention the fact that you get the best defense you can buy. If you are poor, which black Americans are more likely to be, you can't buy as good of a defense.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Also, being poor means you can't afford a good lawyer to keep you out of jail. How many black NFL players have killed someone DUI and didn't even get jail time for it?

The facts indicate that is true. Even with the efforts we have made to make things more equal black Americans and other minorities face obstacles that white people, and especially white males, never have to face.

Were we to remove those Civil Rights gains, then things would be much, much worse. The country still has a very large number of bitter, angry racist white people upset that their unearned advantage and white privilege has been eroding since the civil war.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Making drugs less illegal and getting rid of the demand for illegal drugs would help to begin to reduce the population of violent criminals trying to profit off something that shouldn't be a real crime. Young black men born into these lifestyles have a harder time without a doubt. The government is the source of their hardship, not white people, however.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

No, they do not. There are no such facts. You cannot cite different averages based on race as support of the idea that those same different averages come from race. It's pure circular argument



There is no unearned privilege or advantage. We can clearly observe laws and policys granted unearned privilege and advantge to minorities and women. That of males and whites is nonexistant.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

That, sir, is an excellent question. The answer is, I don't know. I don't think so, overall, assuming the laws preventing discrimination aren't removed as well (which they should not be). There may be a racist here an there on either side that pushes things one way or another, but like I said, overall - I doubt it.

Best way to answer that? Start undoing some of these discriminatory policies, slowly, and monitor the results. I suspect strongly that if the MDE requirements were lifted, minority-owned businesses would grow rapidly (they are forced to stay small to stay eligible for the subsidies), and a host of white-owned small businesses would spring up.

Actually, since these programs haven't been removed, there's no data to substantiate your claim. If and when we remove these programs, we can compare pre-removal stats and post-removal stats to see the results. You're making up your mind with no data.



Again, you have no data to support this.

But at least he's good at it. He's got lots of experience on all kinds of subjects.

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