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Evidence of this violent New Black Panther opposition? Evidence that they disavow him? Nah, you got none.
From what I understand he vehemently supported Obama. See how that works.
You mean the guy the DOJ under the Eric Holder - Obama Administration dropped charges against after they had already won the case by default? You mean the guy who charges were filed against on 1/7/09 (Whose administration would that be? Yeah, I thought so.)? Must be a different guy huh? Do some real research, don't just swallow whatever Media Matters shoots your way.

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Let me ask you something about an assumption both you and the person who wrote your article are working under.

Do you believe it is impossible for our President - given his history to be motivated by a belief that there is a need to combat racial inequity with the power of law?

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I don't think the President has the endorsement of the New Black Panther party, and if the President did, I doubt they would stand for it.

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He denounced Reverend Wright, for example. He's not really given to staying connected to racists and demagogues.

Sorry, you can't use this defense unless you extend to the same consideration to Ron Paul.


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I don't think the President has the endorsement of the New Black Panther party, and if the President did, I doubt they would stand for it.

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He denounced Reverend Wright, for example. He's not really given to staying connected to racists and demagogues.

Sorry, you can't use this defense unless you extend to the same consideration to Ron Paul.



That's gotta leave a mark...

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Let me ask you something about an assumption both you and the person who wrote your article are working under.

Do you believe it is impossible for our President - given his history to be motivated by a belief that there is a need to combat racial inequity with the power of law?


I'm not sure I understand the question, but I'll try to answer. I do think Obama believes race significantly impacts a person's chances of success, partly as a result of current racism but mostly as a result of legacy effects from earlier institutional racism, and that it is both possible and desirable to implement government policies that reduce that impact.


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Let me ask you something about an assumption both you and the person who wrote your article are working under.

Do you believe it is impossible for our President - given his history to be motivated by a belief that there is a need to combat racial inequity with the power of law?


I'm not sure I understand the question, but I'll try to answer. I do think Obama believes race significantly impacts a person's chances of success, partly as a result of current racism but mostly as a result of legacy effects from earlier institutional racism, and that it is both possible and desirable to implement government policies that reduce that impact.



Alright.

Given this belief do you think it is possible he would move his adminsitration towards taking action that postively impact those whom 1. Share the same beliefs as he 2. Are the ones he believes have been previously negatively impacted?

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One of the leaders of the NAACP shows what a liar he is.



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Given this belief do you think it is possible he would move his adminsitration towards taking action that postively impact those whom 1. Share the same beliefs as he 2. Are the ones he believes have been previously negatively impacted?


Sure, but it depends on what the action is. Also, I don't think sharing the same beliefs would be part of it. Programs aimed at helping black people don't require the recipients to be liberal black people, after all.


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Given this belief do you think it is possible he would move his adminsitration towards taking action that postively impact those whom 1. Share the same beliefs as he 2. Are the ones he believes have been previously negatively impacted?


Sure, but it depends on what the action is. Also, I don't think sharing the same beliefs would be part of it. Programs aimed at helping black people don't require the recipients to be liberal black people, after all.


They don't need to. Something like 90% of Blacks are Democrats and can be reasonably described as "liberal".

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Really? Because it's a rather adroit comparison when it comes to matters of economic and financial regulatory policy. I'm willing to suspect that you know very little about how Hitler's administration operated or his road to power. Rather, you just know about the Holocaust and World War II. It's not hyperbole in the least to compare either of the last two Presidents to Hitler or Mussolini or Franco. There are similarities we should recognize; similarities that should cause us all to chafe. And if the only thing we know about any of the socialist European dictators is that they prosecuted war crimes, then we should be ashamed of ourselves.



And you'd be quite wrong. I was commenting solely on the overuse of the "Hitler" comparison in general in discourse, not attempting to debate history.

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I'm going to guess that in this particular instance, it is because Serienya posted something that indicated her ignorance of what she was discussing. This seems a peculiar post from you, LK, given a fairly recent thread in which you admitted ignorance of most things political or economic.


And once again, I was perfectly aware of what I was discussing (having studied quite of lot of the time period in question - hell, I can dig out Mein Kampf off my bookshelf if I really felt like it). But my comment was limited only to the 'pop culture' aspects of comparisons to Hitler (Godwins, anyone?). Anyone who read more into it needs to get a life.

EDIT: But since the thread turned into an actual historical discussion in the time I was away, then I might be more inclined to participate because it got infinitely more interesting than the OP warranted. Even if Khross and Rynar assumed I was stupid on the basis of something tongue in cheek that I wrote while engrossed in a research project.

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I'm going to guess that in this particular instance, it is because Serienya posted something that indicated her ignorance of what she was discussing. This seems a peculiar post from you, LK, given a fairly recent thread in which you admitted ignorance of most things political or economic.


And once again, I was perfectly aware of what I was discussing (having studied quite of lot of the time period in question - hell, I can dig out Mein Kampf off my bookshelf if I really felt like it). But my comment was limited only to the 'pop culture' aspects of comparisons to Hitler (Godwins, anyone?). Anyone who read more into it needs to get a life.


You mean, like, all of us? If it were only one or two people, I would say it was those people who misread or misunderstood your statements. However, when the vast majority of us do, it becomes your problem, not ours. Communicate better, or STFU.

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Deleted and moved. Posted in wrong thread.

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You mean, like, all of us? If it were only one or two people, I would say it was those people who misread or misunderstood your statements. However, when the vast majority of us do, it becomes your problem, not ours. Communicate better, or STFU.


See my edit above, *******.

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You mean, like, all of us? If it were only one or two people, I would say it was those people who misread or misunderstood your statements. However, when the vast majority of us do, it becomes your problem, not ours. Communicate better, or STFU.


See my edit above, *******.


Yeah... I'll do that right after I, in your own words, "get a life". If you don't want to be treated like an *******, then don't act like one. And, for the record, ignorant is not synonymous with stupid.

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Ahhh, harmony.

Rynar - just because a lot of people here see a post a certain way doesn't mean they are correct. Talk about an appeal to popularity. This place is an echo chamber.

And Rynar, back the **** off her. Seriously. You're behaving like a prick. Roll back your epeen, put it in your pants, and go find a security blanket of some kind. Go to a firing range and shoot your gun. Whatever you need to blow off the steam. Seriously.

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Ahhh, harmony.

Rynar - just because a lot of people here see a post a certain way doesn't mean they are correct. Talk about an appeal to popularity. This place is an echo chamber.

And Rynar, back the **** off her. Seriously. You're behaving like a prick. Roll back your epeen, put it in your pants, and go find a security blanket of some kind. Go to a firing range and shoot your gun. Whatever you need to blow off the steam. Seriously.



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Ahhh, harmony.

Rynar - just because a lot of people here see a post a certain way doesn't mean they are correct. Talk about an appeal to popularity. This place is an echo chamber.


No one proposed they did in anyway explicitly or implicitly. I would presume you would elect that they are incorrect, which would be a false dilemma and oversimplification.

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Ahhh, harmony.

Rynar - just because a lot of people here see a post a certain way doesn't mean they are correct. Talk about an appeal to popularity. This place is an echo chamber.

And Rynar, back the **** off her. Seriously. You're behaving like a prick. Roll back your epeen, put it in your pants, and go find a security blanket of some kind. Go to a firing range and shoot your gun. Whatever you need to blow off the steam. Seriously.


Shut the **** up you whiny twit. Rynar doesn't need to back off. Go take your internet chivalry somewhere the **** else. Everyone stands up for themself in this forum. What are you going to do, go beat him up if he doesn't? E-peen indeed; I guess we can see how tough you are, standing up for the helpless females.

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Ahhh, harmony.

Rynar - just because a lot of people here see a post a certain way doesn't mean they are correct. Talk about an appeal to popularity. This place is an echo chamber.

And Rynar, back the **** off her. Seriously. You're behaving like a prick. Roll back your epeen, put it in your pants, and go find a security blanket of some kind. Go to a firing range and shoot your gun. Whatever you need to blow off the steam. Seriously.


When what we are discussing is how well people communicate their message, and literally everyone interpreted it to mean something other than what she says intended, it is not an appeal to authority, as how many people understood her is the metric used to decide the question at hand. You have an awful lot of problems assigning logical fallacies given your continual struggle with logic. You should just stop.

As to the second? **** off. People get what they give in this forum, and she doesn't need your less than adequate mind to defend her. She is perfectly capable of doing it herself. Or is it your contention that she isn't bright enough to do it on her own?

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Joe Biden: Tea Party 'Not Racist'

Last week, the NAACP demanded that Tea Party leaders "repudiate [the party's] racist elements," but on ABC News this morning, Vice-President Joe Biden sort of disagreed: "I wouldn't characterize the Tea Party as racist," he said. "There are individuals who are either members of or on the periphery of some of their things, their protests, that have expressed really ... unfortunate comments. But it is not a racist organization."

Interestingly, shortly after Biden's comment, the Tea Party itself admitted that, come to think of it, maybe some of its members are racists, formally expelling conservative commentator and former Tea Party Express leader Mark Williams. Why? For writing a blog post in response to the NAACP that satirized a fictional letter from "Colored People" to President Abraham Lincoln. (It read: "We Coloreds have decided that we don't cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves ... that is just far too much to ask of us Colored People!")

Perhaps the party has yet to inform Sarah Palin that Williams actually is, by their own account, quite racist. She remarked this week: "I am saddened by the NAACP's claim that patriotic Americans who stand up for the United States of America's Constitutional rights are somehow 'racists.'" Tea Party spokesman spokesman David Webb, on the other hand, called Mark Williams's blog post, "Clearly offensive."

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Ahhh, harmony.

Rynar - just because a lot of people here see a post a certain way doesn't mean they are correct. Talk about an appeal to popularity. This place is an echo chamber.

And Rynar, back the **** off her. Seriously. You're behaving like a prick. Roll back your epeen, put it in your pants, and go find a security blanket of some kind. Go to a firing range and shoot your gun. Whatever you need to blow off the steam. Seriously.


Shut the **** up you whiny twit. Rynar doesn't need to back off. Go take your internet chivalry somewhere the **** else. Everyone stands up for themself in this forum. What are you going to do, go beat him up if he doesn't? E-peen indeed; I guess we can see how tough you are, standing up for the helpless females.

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Ahhh, harmony.

Rynar - just because a lot of people here see a post a certain way doesn't mean they are correct. Talk about an appeal to popularity. This place is an echo chamber.

And Rynar, back the **** off her. Seriously. You're behaving like a prick. Roll back your epeen, put it in your pants, and go find a security blanket of some kind. Go to a firing range and shoot your gun. Whatever you need to blow off the steam. Seriously.


Shut the **** up you whiny twit. Rynar doesn't need to back off. Go take your internet chivalry somewhere the **** else. Everyone stands up for themself in this forum. What are you going to do, go beat him up if he doesn't? E-peen indeed; I guess we can see how tough you are, standing up for the helpless females.

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Holy crap that is epic. Where did you get it?

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