The Glade 4.0

Ok, ya'll know I'm not the brightest bulb around here....(I know...shocking, isn't it?)

I remember something in college about fallacies and I remember memorizing a few things for a test and writing a paper but that was years ago.

Khross said something about a "No True Scotsman" and I hear "strawman" after everything that Monte posts, but I still don't quite get it.

I checked Wikipedia and there is a list of like a hundred different types of fallacies.

Here's the deal...it would be helpful to me, and possibly fun for you if you could list a fallacy, a definition, and an example. Extra points if you can find the example through some of the debates in Hellfire...helps to get things in context.

Thanks!

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Oooh. This'll be a fun thread.
/popcorn

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

...and let's not use Monte's posts for every example.

NO TRUE SCOTSMAN

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Strawman is one you should definitely be familiar with. After that, look up circular argument.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Tautological cat is tautological.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Moving the goalposts is a common fallacy..



If someone asserts "Nobody can jump over three camels!" and you cite references that show that someone indeed has jumped over three camels, then to further argue that the camels in question were dromedary and not bactrian and it doesn't count 'cause the dromedary has fewer humps, they've moved the goalposts on you.

All it takes is one exception to undermine someone's assertion and folks typically have an investment in their assertions...

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In time, this too shall pass.

Go look for false equivalence.

Oh wait, it isn't one. It's just something someone made up in lieu of an actual fallacy being applicable. Most often, it's applied in situation to deny germane and pertinent information.

Ironically, its use is much more often than not, a fallacy in and of itself. Commonly a No True Scotsman fallacy.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Either that, or it's a completely subjective value judgement masquerading as a fallacy.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a common one. "after this, therefore because of this". So for example if people say "I never heard all these people complaining about big government before a black man was elected president. They must be racist"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Why scour, when I can just deliver them directly to the thread?

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

This site has a list of them actually:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacie ... html#index

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

See, this is why I don't even use these terms. Nobody understands 'em. I admit, even I don't want to think about the terms..because noone understands. I'd rather explain it in plain english, so the people who I'm arguing against can understand. Though, it does help to have a highly developed bullshit detector.

This reminds me, the phrases I used to and sometimes do have issues with


"red is no match for blue" ...what the hell does that mean, does that mean red is better or blue is better? I always have to interpret this kind of statement based on context.


"the two are not mutually exclusive" -- i get this one now...but at first, I was like "PC Load Letter? What the **** does that mean?" Maybe because the tone of the statement feels like a double-negative.


"objects in mirror are closer than they appear" appear in the mirror, or appear as if you looked directly at them? It almost makes me feel like I'm autistic with not knowing what the hell people actually mean with these cookie cutter phrases.

I guess it's the same reason people say things like "i could care less" when they mean to say "i couldn't care less"


So yeah, I'll stick to just calling 'em like I see 'em.


Ok... /end tangent

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Ron Paul 2012

What about a Scottish Korean eating a Snickers? It's like one contradiction eating another.

Contradictions taste goot!

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The Dude abides.

Wrong. He's eating Starbursts. Stop being such a fail, Screeling.

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Los Angeles Kings 2014 Stanley Cup Champions

"I love this **** team right here."
-Jonathan Quick

I think in lieu of telling someone Slippery Slope, Strawman, and Changing the Goalposts it is so much easier to tell them "**** You, you are wrong!" let them figure out why... even if they are not wrong.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Well then where's the fun in it? Jebus.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

What do you propose calling this? The Beryllin Gambit?

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I vote for The Khross Conundrum.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

... Curse you lack of inflection ... curse you!

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Oh wait, can I change my vote to: Business as Usual ?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Moo ... Vindicarre's poking me!

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I prefer to call it the Wormwood Logical Argument:

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Argumentum ad nauseam.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones