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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:37 am 
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My cat is driving me bananas.

90% of the time she is sweet and adorable and playful. She even does annoying things that I can tolerate because it is normal cat behavior, like peeing on the beds or anything soft when her litter box is full....

But one thing I cannot stand is the incessant howling, whining, crying, and yelling she does when she wants to go outside. We live in the ghetto, we have no yard, and every week there is some smashed and bloody remains of some cat or possum or squirrel in the road.

She lies in wait by the door and tries to dash out as soon as you open it. If you do not let her outside, she commences the tantrums which can last for up to a half an hour and then pick back up again when she thinks about going outside.

We have given in and let her out about 3 or 4 times, and she has 'escaped' about that many times as well, and I have been nervous as heck each time....but the last time I saw a bloody, flattened feline corpse in the middle of the road a block from our house (and Nitefox and I had just seen that cat a week before and commented on how cute it was) I decided no way am I letting the cat out anymore.

I'm going nuts.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:47 am 
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Have you tried squirting the cat with a water bottle whenever it goes near the door? It takes time but eventually it worked on the 17,000 cats that my ex left with me before I placed them.

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Perhaps some of these ideas may help?

http://maxshouse.com/Healthy+Happy_Indoors.htm

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Cats can be happily kept inside all the time. Many people do so and would have it no other way. They say they have deeper and more satisfying relationships with their cats and that those cats are healthier and live longer. While living happily inside, cats are not getting hit by cars, being injured in cat fights, catching infections such as feline leukemia virus and feline immunodeficiency virus (Feline "AIDS"), being stolen, hunting and possibly killing wildlife, urinating and defecating on neighbors' properties, and harassing or being harassed by other animals. Clearly there are many good reasons for permanently keeping cats indoors and outdoors in a protected area.

PHYSIOLOGICAL REACTIONS TO STRESS

An outdoor cat lives a more stressful life than an indoor cat, and stress leads to a myriad of physical and psychological disorders. When faced with a challenge, the cat "gears up"; the heart rate increases, blood flow to the internal organs increases, and stored sugar is released into the bloodstream, ready to meet increased demands for energy. Many of these immediate effects are triggered by the release of the hormone- adrenalin from the adrenal glands. The body is now ready to "fight" or "flee," depending on the circumstances. If the challenge persists, other hormones are released, among them ACTH (adrenocorticotropic hormone) from the pituitary gland. ACTH in turn causes the release of still more hormones, such as cortisone and hydrocortisone from the adrenal glands. These hormones help to continue the supply of energy-sustaining sugars. Finally, should the perceived threat continue, the previously adaptive system starts to break down. Chronic exposure to corticosteroids and other substances can cause organ systems to start degenerating, resulting in such negative effects as decreased immune response, stomach ulcers, and decreased growth to name but a few. Variation in the body's response is based on the type of threat it is exposed to.

Outdoor cats on the street, or even in the country, are faced every day with territorial disputes, threats from other animals, people, cars, environmental noises which cause panic, and situations which generate pure fear and stress. Indoor cats generally live longer, healthier and happier lives than outdoor cats - a fact that cannot be disputed.


ISN'T IT CRUEL?

Some people feel that it is cruel to confine cats because they think of them as "free spirits" that should be allowed to roam at will because of their nature. They seem to give little thought to the possible consequences listed above. So, how can we resolve this dilemma? We can do so by enriching the daily life of the indoor cat to replace some of the stimulation and activity it would otherwise receive as a freeroaming animal. This environmental enrichment puts complexity, unpredictability and choices into a cat's daily life. Without these things, many animals and people become frustrated in confinement and show signs of boredom-greater reactivity, irritability and exaggerated or unusual behavior.

HOW IS IT DONE?

Environmental enrichment aims to satisfy a cat's need for interaction with its environment.. This can be done in many ways, some of which suit some cats better than others. Cats are notoriously individualistic. Some activities involve the owner in active participation, while others just have to be set up and left for the cat to use when it wishes. By doing more for their cats, owners also enrich their own lives.
Chasing and Jumping

Small fast-moving objects cause the innate chase response in kittens. Most mature cats will continue to show it, particularly when they have practiced it all their lives. This can be done with small balls, such as practice golf balls that are hollow and have holes in the surface, or
items such as scrunched up pieces of newspaper, pulled quickly and erratically on the end of a string. Some people even tie the objects onto fishing lines and poles so that they can cast out and move the object
over a bigger area without the cat seeing them do so. Furry, feathery or flapping things are particularly attractive to cats. Patches of bright light, such as the reflection from a watch face or mirror, often get cats chasing. A hand-held laser pointer that gives a brilliant red spot under any household conditions is a very convenient way of exercising cats. Some cats, particularly the younger ones, will jump and strike at soap bubbles,
which should be made from non-toxic soap.
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Feeding

We can make feeding more natural by getting our cats to search for food and by providing it in a form that needs chewing. If you feed dry food, you could put it in small clumps on the floor progressively farther away from the bowl each day. The clumps can eventually be scattered throughout the house in different places each day so that your cat has to search them out.


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Obedience Work

It might sound a bit radical, but cats can be obedience trained with the same principles of positive reinforcement as dogs. Why do you think they suddenly appear when the refrigerator door is being opened? That is not innate behavior; it has been learned. It's amazing what will be learned when you are hungry and your behavior results in food being given. Cats can easily be taught to come, sit, stay, lie down, and retrieve. Reward the desired behavior immediately as it occurs. Break down the learning task into small steps and start at the beginning. Train with very small pieces of the most palatable food. In this way, your cat will just get a taste and not a stomach full, which will satisfy its hunger. Once you have taught several commands, they can be randomized in order and times of day they are given. Such a training session, particularly when it entails working on a new command, will add complexity, unpredictability and choice to your cat's daily life.


Watching an Interesting Scene

Given the choice, cats will vote with their feet and show us that
they like to watch a changing scene. They will choose to sit or
lie for long periods in safe places where they can watch the world go by, whether it is street activity, people or animals. With a little
bit of thought, we can usually provide that safe and interesting area.
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High-Level Walkways

One way cats can get to a vantage point is by jumping or climbing. You can make this easier and encourage them to use the height of the rooms by providing walkways between high points. Shelves can be strategically placed on walls, or narrow pieces of timber can be placed between beams.
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Indoor "Tree"

A convenient way of cats getting access to high points is up a tall scratching post that they will climb as though it were a tree. If the cat cannot climb, for instance if the cat is older, then a series of shelves could be embedded in a tall post. The cat can then climb by jumping from shelf to shelf.
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Get-Away Areas

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Given the chance, many cats will lie for long periods in small high places from where they can watch the activity below and presumably feel secure. It is a good idea to provide access to such areas for anxious cats and where there is more than one cat in the house. This can be easily done by closing the lid of a cardboard box of suitable size (about 14"xl2"xlO" for an average sized cat). Turn it upside down and cut a hole in the middle of one end just big enough for the cat to get in and out. Put in an unwashed garment, such as an old sweatshirt of its favorite person, and place in the highest accessible place in the house. As they are so cheap and quick to make, you can experiment with several of them in different places. High-level walkways, very tall scratching posts or indoor "trees" can give access to these places.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:51 am 
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Hahahahahahaha! I like the way you worded that, Hop.
No, I have not tried that yet. I had a squirt bottle somewhere but have no idea where it got off to. Maybe I'll get another one and try that.

SG--That looks like interesting stuff...maybe she is really bored. I see her batting around gum wrappers and climbing in and out of windows and stuff...maybe she needs some more toys and more playtime.

Thanks guys.

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I offer you a solution, free of charge.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:33 am 
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Hee hee, thanks Ry. :D

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I prefer natures solution to stray cats.
We had a sizable colony of cats around here, about 6 months ago 2 harris hawks took up residence down the street, then about 3 months ago a big barn owl has been making the rounds. I'm seeing fewer cats around lately.
There also have been the occasional signs posted for missing small pets.

Better than the coyote pack we had a few years ago, not as noisy

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Thankfully, I picked a house on a quiet street so I can let my cat out. Amdee spoiled him rotten in that regard (she worked at home, so he could just wander over to the door whenever he pleased and she'd let him out, and hear him meowing at the door to be let back in). Fortunately, he's deigned to compromise, where I let him out after I get home from work, and he prowls around, and I check the porch in an hour or so because the house is bigger and I can't always hear him if he meows.

He still drives me bonkers occasionally, but that's usually because he just wants attention while I'm on the computer, and can't be trusted to stay off the keyboard if I let him up into my lap.

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My cat used to do the same and at the time, like you, I lived in the ghetto. Escaping was not an option if I wanted to keep my cat safe. I'm fortunate now that my wife and I own a home with an 8 ft. high stucco wall around the back yard. I can let her out there and unless she jumps on the garbage can, she's fine out there for hours.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:42 am 
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Our cats stay indoors, there are coyotes in the neighborhood. One cat is declawed and the other is too fat to run. Hey Tolyn, remember when Mao didn't have his own gravity well?
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When I lived next door, we had an all dark gray cat named Spot. She liked to get out of the house from time to time and every god damned time she came back, she was pregnant. We didn't much like her to begin with, so the last time she did it, we let the kittens get old enough to where they could fend for themselves, drove her and the kittens out to the dairies and dropped them off in a corn field. I hated that cat so god damned much.

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This is eventually about cats.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/blamimations/108/
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