The Glade 4.0

Obama was an unknown factor before the 2004 election. He gave a good speech at the DNC and was on the watch list. He quickly grew from the watch list to viable candidate with no real record or executive experience behind him except looking clean and speaking well.

Obama will be running against his record as much as any opponent. He will finally get us out of Iraq, when? Afghanistan, when? The timing will coincide with election needs.

The reds are going to need a heckuva a candidate against that. I'll probably be backing Romney if he runs again. Fiscal responsibility is my touchstone, seeing as we have almost none of it here in California I'd like to see it at a national level.
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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

These two statements are factually incompatible.

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This the same Romney that signed the Mass. Health Care bill, the one that is destroying their government revenue and was the basis for our soon to be crippling national plan?

What is that you perceive to be fiscally conservative about him Michael? I'm not as up to speed on him apparently as I thought I was.

Damn Sanford and his "soul mate".

Everyone can thank me later.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

You know how long it is 'till November 2012?

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In time, this too shall pass.

Meh, the world will be ended a month later anyway.

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That's my backup plan.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Ron Paul 2012.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

It's gotta be tough having a partisan super-majority.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

It is not enough! That one last obstructionist Republican is holding back the progressive dream, it needs to be a super duper, absolute majority, in fact He longs for a good old one party system, like China

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

WTF?????!!!

Dude, even your boy Clinton had a much, much, much more hostile Senate. Or Bush in his last 2 years.

I'm thinking you'll have to find they guy that posted that on KOS to ask, not the guy that cut and pasted it.

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In time, this too shall pass.

No he didn't. Clinton didn't have senators rubbing elbows with people who accuse him regularly of not even being a legal citizen of the country. This President has the single most hostile opposition party since the Civil War. Hands down. Senators and members of congress have called for open revolution. They have accused the President of not being a legal citizen (without evidence, mind you, an act that would have been seen as treason by those same lawmakers under Bush).

People keep touting this supermajority BS as if it's real. It's not. Joe Lieberman is not a Democrat. He's an independent. The Democrats do not have 60 seats. They haven't had (in real terms) 60 seats. Parliamentary maneuvering on the part of Republicans has stalled or stopped over 200 pieces of legislation. They lost the seat in Massachusetts (heh, how's that working out for the Tea Party these days?), which put them at 58, 59 if you count Barney Frank.

So, really. Take a reality pill for once and take a long hard look at the Republican party. They want to force this country to fall on it's face so they can reap the rewards. Tres patriotic, those blokes.

They don't have a super majority. They haven't had one for a long time. The Republicans filibuster everything as a matter of course. All of you constitutionalists need to take a long hard look at what it ought to take to get legislation passed, based on the document you claim to revere so much. Because it doesn't say anything about a super majority.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Fun Fact:
If there were a "bare assertion fallacy song", it would be a Polka with rap lyrics, because it's just..that...wrong.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Right, sure.



He Caususes as a Democrat so they have a theoretical supermajority. If they can't get their legislation passed because of Joe Lieberman, then maybe their legislation just sucks.

Barney Frank, is a Representative, not Senator, so what he has to so with a Senate supermajority is beyond me. Oh, wait, that's right. Nothing. You just have no idea who is who.



Yeah, sure. Because the Republicans really just know deep down that Obama's policies will make things better and are opposing it out of sheer bloody-mindedness... oh wait, they don't. What they relly think is that the cpuntry will fall on its face if this **** passes, and are trying to stop it and reap the political rewards.



Except that they do have a supermajority. If they can't convince that supermajority to pass legislation or break filibusters... it indicates they're idiots.

As for the Constitution, it does mention a supermajority 3 times - in relation to impeachment, to expel a member, and to override a Presidential veto. Other than that, however, it does not perscribe a supermajority, a majority, or even a plurality to pass laws - it perscribes that Congress make up its own rules. Congress has the power to make legislation pass on one vote if it wants. It also can create filibusters and other parlimentary procedures, so claiming that they're a problem just because your boys aren't getting your way is just whining that the rules are unfair when things don't go your way. Here is the relevant line, from Article 1, Section 5:

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You are once again outright lying. In 1975, the Democratic Majority in the Senate changed the cloture rules for the body to require only 60 votes. As part of the compromise for this change, mostly with Southern Democrats in their OWN party, the Democratic Majority included the procedural filibuster rule.

Senate 2007 Review of Rule XXII
Basically, if you want to vote to pass a bill into law, you must invoke Cloture. This rule was established by Democrats in 1975. If they can't get the 60 to end debate, then they can't legally take it to a vote for passage.

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Monty, let's assume you're right. Let's assume Lieberman is not a democrat. Hell, let's call him a Republican.

That means Obama has 59 friendly seats in the Senate. This does not make for the most hostile Senate since the Civil War. It makes the most hostile Senate since 2008.

Stop making excuses for Obama. He's passing lots of legislation, and he's failing on his own. He doesn't need a hostile Senate to help him fail.

Yeah... this Congress has passed a nearly, if not completely, unprecedent amount of major nation changing legislation for this administration. I'd like to see the legislative evidence of Monte's claims.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Maybe Monty won't be happy until Congress just declares him the God Emperor.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn