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Did you catch the interview with the President of the NAACP about their reaction by chance?


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Did you catch the interview with the President of the NAACP about their reaction by chance?


No, I haven't seen much about this issue, other than snippets from the original posted edited speech and her full one.


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It's apropos that the Obama Administration demanded that she resign because "It'll be on Beck this afternoon."

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http://www.thefoxnation.com/culture/201 ... nal-anthem

Keep baiting that race issue.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

but is he really a Dem if he is for ending such programs?

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UF, an appropriate reaction to what Andrew Brietbart did - which is to say, falsely accuse an upstanding public servant of racism by posting an edited and highly misleading video - would be to *not* link to his wretched little hole on the internet.

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Fine, Monte. Respond to this article, instead.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 05105.html

The one Fester linked was an AP article, anyways.

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UF, an appropriate reaction to what Andrew Brietbart did - which is to say, falsely accuse an upstanding public servant of racism by posting an edited and highly misleading video - would be to *not* link to his wretched little hole on the internet.


In all fairness, the woman did engage in abuse of the powers of her office along racial lines. The fact that she learned from it, and later corrected it doesn't matter a whit.

That said, yes, i agree with the overall tenor of your post... but.. that's sort of what we do here.

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UF, an appropriate reaction to what Andrew Brietbart did - which is to say, falsely accuse an upstanding public servant of racism by posting an edited and highly misleading video - would be to *not* link to his wretched little hole on the internet.


In all fairness, the woman did engage in abuse of the powers of her office along racial lines. The fact that she learned from it, and later corrected it doesn't matter a whit.

That said, yes, i agree with the overall tenor of your post... but.. that's sort of what we do here.


And the fact that she worked with the guy, helped him out, and he has nothing but glowing things to say about her.

Do your research before you make claims as to what is "fair".


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UF, an appropriate reaction to what Andrew Brietbart did - which is to say, falsely accuse an upstanding public servant of racism by posting an edited and highly misleading video - would be to *not* link to his wretched little hole on the internet.


This.


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Once again Monty misses the point by a mile. What briebart showed was at an NAACP convention the attendants sat there and understood a story of racial discrimination. Did you see any negative reactions? But this probably won't reach you up on your high horse. The civil servant was incidental the NAACP was the target.

In fact this whole story has been uplifting! True equality has been achieved, now black people can be accused of racism on a misstatement or out of context remark and fired just as quickly as a white person with as much chance to defend herself! You should be over **** joyed the races are equally at risk.

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In fact this whole story has been uplifting! True equality has been achieved, now black people can be accused of racism on a misstatement or out of context remark and fired just as quickly as a white person with as much chance to defend herself! You should be over **** joyed the races are equally at risk.



This. This is what's lost on the race baiters like Monty.

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Racism is now the boy who cried wolf, done so often as to not have any meaning. Watching howard dean repeat racist so much was like watching a child read something from a script

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The Obama White House is too white.

It has Barack Obama, raised in the Hawaiian hood and Indonesia, and Valerie Jarrett, who spent her early years in Iran.

But unlike Bill Clinton, who never needed help fathoming Southern black culture, Obama lacks advisers who are descended from the central African-American experience, ones who understand “the slave thing,” as a top black Democrat dryly puts it.

The first black president should expand beyond his campaign security blanket, the smug cordon of overprotective white guys surrounding him — a long political tradition underscored by Geraldine Ferraro in 1984 when she complained about the “smart-ass white boys” from Walter Mondale’s campaign who tried to boss her around.

Otherwise, this administration will keep tripping over race rather than inspiring on race.

The West Wing white guys who pushed to ditch Shirley Sherrod before Glenn Beck could pounce not only didn’t bother to Google, they weren’t familiar enough with civil rights history to recognize the name Sherrod. And they didn’t return the calls and e-mail of prominent blacks who tried to alert them that something was wrong.

Charles Sherrod, Shirley’s husband, was a Freedom Rider who, along with the civil rights hero John Lewis, was a key member of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee of the ‘60s.

As Lewis, the longtime Georgia congressman, told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, he knew immediately that something was amiss with the distorted video clip of Sherrod talking to the N.A.A.C.P.

“I’ve known these two individuals — the husband for more than 50 years and the wife for at least 35, 40 — and there’s not a racist hair on their heads or anyplace else on their bodies,” Lewis said.

We may not have a “nation of cowards” on race, as Attorney General Eric Holder contended, but we may have a West Wing of cowards on race.

The president appears completely comfortable in his own skin, but it seems he feels that he and Michelle are such a huge change for the nation to absorb that he can be overly cautious about pushing for other societal changes for blacks and gays. At some level, he acts like the election was enough; he shouldn’t have to deal with race further. But he does.

His closest advisers — some of the same ones who urged him not to make the race speech after the Rev. Jeremiah Wright issue exploded — are so terrified that Fox and the Tea Party will paint Obama as doing more for blacks that they tiptoe around and do less. “Who knew that the first black president would make it even harder on black people?” asked a top black Democratic official.

It’s the same impulse that caused Obama campaign workers to refuse to let Muslim women with head scarves sit in camera range during a rally. It’s the same impulse that has left the president light-years behind W. on development help for Africa. In their rush to counteract attempts to paint Obama as a radical/Muslim/socialist, Obama staffers can behave in insensitive ways themselves.

“I don’t think a single black person was consulted before Shirley Sherrod was fired — I mean c’mon, “ said Congressman James Clyburn of South Carolina, a black lawmaker so temperate that he agreed with an op-ed piece in The Wall Street Journal on Friday by Senator James Webb of Virginia, which urged that “government-directed diversity programs should end.”

“The president’s getting hurt real bad,” Clyburn told me. “He needs some black people around him.” He said Obama’s inner circle keeps “screwing up” on race: “Some people over there are not sensitive at all about race. They really feel that the extent to which he allows himself to talk about race would tend to pigeonhole him or cost him support, when a lot of people saw his election as a way to get the issue behind us. I don’t think people elected him to disengage on race. Just the opposite.”

Eleanor Holmes Norton, D.C.’s House delegate, agreed: “The president needs some advisers or friends who have a greater sense of the pulse of the African-American community, or who at least have been around the mulberry bush.”

And why does the N.A.A.C.P. exist if not to help clear a smeared champion of civil rights who gave a stirring speech about racial reconciliation at an N.A.A.C.P. banquet? Its president, Ben Jealous, shamefully following the administration’s rush to judgment, tweeted Monday night that Shirley Sherrod was a racist without even calling his Georgia chapter president or reviewing the N.A.A.C.P.’s own video of the speech.

It was Donna Brazile, a Democratic strategist, who, after hearing the entire speech, pushed to get it out and helped clear Sherrod’s reputation on CNN.

The president shouldn’t give Sherrod her old job back. He should give her a new job: Director of Black Outreach. This White House needs one.

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And even better the Times now admits there is no evidence Tea paritiers used the N word at congress men.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... 026847.php

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We have been waiting for liberal media sources to correct their many misstatements about the events of March 20, when three Democratic Congressmen falsely claimed that protesters against Obamacare at the Capitol yelled racial epithets at them. As our readers know, multiple eyewitnesses and videos disprove this claim, while Andrew Breitbart's offer of $100,000 to anyone who can provide evidence in its support has gone unclaimed.

Today the New York Times offers a correction relating to this incident, but it is a limited one at best:

The Political Times column last Sunday, about a generational divide over racial attitudes, erroneously linked one example of a racially charged statement to the Tea Party movement. While Tea Party supporters have been connected to a number of such statements, there is no evidence that epithets reportedly directed in March at Representative John Lewis, Democrat of Georgia, outside the Capitol, came from Tea Party members.

Someday the Times may go all the way and admit that the epithets "reportedly" directed at Lewis (reported by Lewis himself, that is) never occurred. In the meantime, the paper is careful to assure its readers that Tea Party members have made "a number of" racially charged statements, all of which are unspecified.

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Its amusing that in one article Clyburn is called "temperate".


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Once again Monty misses the point by a mile. What briebart showed was at an NAACP convention the attendants sat there and understood a story of racial discrimination. Did you see any negative reactions? But this probably won't reach you up on your high horse. The civil servant was incidental the NAACP was the target.


He has valid points, but he Fed it all up by trying to use this as an example. If this was an example of what he was trying to illustrate, then he wouldn't have felt the need to edit the speech.

Editing a speech to make a point is disingenuous, poor journalism, deceitful, and all around a dick move. I deal with enough assholes on a daily basis - **** that guy.


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Like MSNBC cropping the photo of the armed black man at the tea party and using the body with the gun as an example of extreme whites?

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And even better the Times now admits there is no evidence Tea paritiers used the N word at congress men.

I wonder if folks will insist that "no evidence" means "it doesn't exist", now that the shoe's on the other foot?

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Like MSNBC cropping the photo of the armed black man at the tea party and using the body with the gun as an example of extreme whites?


Are you suggesting I supported them when they did that?

I see this as very similar. Are you on the same side of both issues?


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no just asking. I do not trust a single news sourse so I read sever from variose views and try to find something close to the truth.

During the Bush years CNN, MSNBC and their Ilk went out of their way to dig up anything on Bush and the Republicans. Now they are spear carriers for the administration.

Fox and co where on defense during the Bush years and are now on the offense. Sadly you can not trust any "news" source anymore, no Reuters, not AP, non. It is kind of aggravating.

Sorry if you think I was questioning you directly Arathain that was not my intent.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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UF, an appropriate reaction to what Andrew Brietbart did - which is to say, falsely accuse an upstanding public servant of racism by posting an edited and highly misleading video - would be to *not* link to his wretched little hole on the internet.


In all fairness, the woman did engage in abuse of the powers of her office along racial lines. The fact that she learned from it, and later corrected it doesn't matter a whit.

That said, yes, i agree with the overall tenor of your post... but.. that's sort of what we do here.


And the fact that she worked with the guy, helped him out, and he has nothing but glowing things to say about her.

Do your research before you make claims as to what is "fair".


Way to be obtuse, dude. Perhaps you should do your research. The fact that the gentleman in question has glowing reviews of the woman doesn't matter. What matters is her own admission of wrong-doing and abuse of a federal position. The fact that she reversed course and helped the man in the end doesn't matter. **** off.

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And even better the Times now admits there is no evidence Tea paritiers used the N word at congress men.

I wonder if folks will insist that "no evidence" means "it doesn't exist", now that the shoe's on the other foot?

I've never claimed it doesn't exist. I've pointed out that claims that Tea Party demonstrations have done racist things need to be substantiated, and many such claims have not been backed up by substantiation, in this particular case even despite a plethora of thorough video coverage and eyewitness accounts that are readily available.

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Once again Monty misses the point by a mile. What briebart showed was at an NAACP convention the attendants sat there and understood a story of racial discrimination. Did you see any negative reactions? But this probably won't reach you up on your high horse. The civil servant was incidental the NAACP was the target.


He has valid points, but he Fed it all up by trying to use this as an example. If this was an example of what he was trying to illustrate, then he wouldn't have felt the need to edit the speech.

Editing a speech to make a point is disingenuous, poor journalism, deceitful, and all around a dick move. I deal with enough assholes on a daily basis - **** that guy.


He didn't edit the speech.
He did the same thing the Obama Administration and USDA did. Everyone took it at face value, which is an indictment on everyone involved; yet it proved Breitbart's point none-the-less.

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And even better the Times now admits there is no evidence Tea paritiers used the N word at congress men.

I wonder if folks will insist that "no evidence" means "it doesn't exist", now that the shoe's on the other foot?

I've never claimed it doesn't exist. I've pointed out that claims that Tea Party demonstrations have done racist things need to be substantiated, and many such claims have not been backed up by substantiation, in this particular case even despite a plethora of thorough video coverage and eyewitness accounts that are readily available.

I honestly don't remember your opinion on this topic at all. Sounds quite reasonable though. I was addressing a claim made in a different thread about a different subject ("no evidence" means "it doesn't exist" that would probably not be to the claimants advantage, consistency wise) that obviously YOU don't remember...

I'm hurt. Really. A tear is rolling down my cheek, even as I type this.

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