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My understanding is that the heightened risk of serious injury and/or fatality from pit bulls vs. other breeds of similar size (no point comparing to a toy poodle!) is due to their high pain tolerance and bite tenacity. They aren't more likely to attack in the first place, and there are plenty of breeds that are capable of inflicting equivalent damage bite-for-bite, but once a pit bull decides to attack, it's really hard to convince them to quit. With a boxer, pincer, german shepherd, etc. a solid kick to the ribs or face will usually drive them back, whereas a pit bull is likely to just keep attacking.

That said, I'm with Khross - no need to ban the breed. A handful of serious attacks each year, nationwide, just isn't a real problem worth regulating.

Here's what happens when you have breed specific bans...

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/breedbanspersecutionontariostyle.htm

And you think you are safe because your dog isn't a Pit Bull? Think again...
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/breedbanslabradormistake.htm

And its easier to understand why Pit Bulls make up a higher percentage of bites when you look at shelters and dog rescues. When I was looking for a dog an overwhelming percentage were listed as Pit Bull mixes. The media will commonly call a dog a Pit Bull, even if the offending dog was no such thing. It is a catch all breed.

As has been pointed out, Pit Bulls are not more aggressive to humans than other breeds, that is an absolute myth. In fact, they are less aggressive than most. It is NOT the breed's instinct to be aggressive towards humans. That is another myth. Dog aggression is in their instinct, but is easily correctable with proper training.

Pit Bulls are actually great with kids, as they will let them climb all over them, pull their ears and tails, and not complain. They aren't good for a very inexperienced owner (like any large breed dog), as they can be a handful if they think they have to take on the leadership role.

I think that more fatalities happen from pit bulls than other breeds because people who want a dangerous/tough dog will get a pit bull. If they are banned, people like this will just get rottweilers or something else.

It's like banning 9mm handguns because most murders occur with them. I don't think it would reduce murders, it would just be compensated by other handgun types.

It has been my experience that shelters will label a dog whatever they think most likely to get the dog adopted out. Higher crime areas will label almost all dogs as some kind of shephard, rott or pit bull with a picture of a weiner dog. Suburbs have almost all dogs as labradors, retrievers, boxers, etc, right next to a picture of a weiner dog.

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That may certainly be true, and it is also true that the media will label almost any type of dog involved in a dog/human attack as a Pit Bull, because it makes a better story.

If you ban the breed, then the only thing that's going to happen is every thug will own a fighting beagle, and you'll see a rise in beagle-related violence. Then after a year or two, you'll be agreeing with the idea of banning the beagle breed.

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in fairness, beagles aren't nearly as well armed as pit bulls. Not that I would advocate banning the breed, but you're talking apples and oranges.

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Most dogs that can't easily be confused for rodents have more than enough capacity to kill a toddler or infant.

Beagles are one of the most viable scent hounds on the planet. I've seen 2 of them take down a 400 lb deer in a matter of minutes. A toddler wouldn't be a problem. And if you think pit bulls are more dangerous because of size, tell me what a toddler or infant has on a badger in its cairn ...

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I didn't say that beagles weren't badass, although they certainly don't come to mind when I think of badass dogs. I am saying that a pit bull is better armed. They can do more injury with a single bite, and are a lot more tenacious with that bite.

I suppose the beagle fighting ring probably wouldn't sell very well, but I'm guessing you don't actually think a beagle measures up to a put bull, overall. I could be wrong.

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Monte:

I'm pointing out that you're making an unfair characterization based on size. A dachshund is a bigger threat to your child than a pit bull.

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What???

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Not to mention the breed is totally arbitrary and I picked a beagle because that's what I happen to have, but thank you for missing the point.

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Hopwin, dachshunds were bred to hunt badgers, and they are very efficient badger killing machines. In fact, dachshunds are a type of cairn hound, in that they were bred to fight badgers in their burrows. Do you really think your toddler has any chance against a creature whose instincts let it kill a cornered badger in a confined space?

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Actually, it's realy about the way a pit bull's jaws work. Size adds weight, and clearly a Pit is stronger than a dachshund. And I assume you wouldn't argue about bite power and tenacity.

Clearly, we need an Ultimate Warrior dog edition.

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Monte's trying to compare a pistol to a missile. They're both potentially deadly, but one may be more destructive.

Khross is correct. Dachshunds are VERY territorial and not recommended for families with small children. They are also epically stubborn.

Per E. B. White:

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That's funny. My dachshund is very well behaved.

Maybe I'm better with dogs than I thought.

We have a lot of interesting perspectives around here.

EDIT: She does not like strangers though. To everyone in our household and family she is submissive and sweet...but to strangers she can be very vicious. I didn't think about that. Good point.

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I agree with this whole heartedly. The assholes who breed the dog for fighting and mistreat these dogs should be put down, not the breed.

Well except for me owning them and all that. I was way too traumatized with having to put my dog down years ago to own another dog.

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I should note, in the interest of full disclosure, I own a dachshund named River Tam. She's a very wonderful dog, and kind and loving, but she'll eat your face off.

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I should also clearly say that I agree wholeheartedly with Khross when it comes to no bad dogs and only bad owners.

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Cocker Spaniels are like that with strangers as well.

Was about the say...Disco is a sweet dog but she yaps at people she doesn't know.

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On size: This little cutie is the poster animal for mean, vicious, and deadly. Polar bears avoid them if possible. **** polar bears



Second point - and I'm going to be more honest about this than anyone else wants to be - nobody wants to actually ban pit bulls because they're pit bulls, they want to ban them because they are "nigger dogs." That statement is not limited in scope to the Glade, but rather a blanket statement about banning a particular breed of dog. We're being racist against a breed of dog because of the color of its owner's skin, or more accurately, because of the behavior and attitude of the owner. Now, because of our modern sensibilities we can't just come out and say we want to keep niggers from going out and getting dogs, so we think it's a good idea to just ban the breed instead. The problem here is that if we ban a breed of dog, then the ignorant thugs will just pick a different breed of dog to put in dogfighting rings.

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I have known many many more vicious cocker spaniels, dachshunds, keeshonds and chihuahuas than big dogs.



LMAO... I am just now picturing a hardcore gangbangin' thug with a french poodle, with the hair dyed gold.

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