The Glade 4.0

I've never played 4.0. I can't give an objective opinion of it. I don't think anything is wrong enough with 3.5 ( for high magic low tech) considering it's expansive available material.

However for MMOs killing pnp, I really don't think so. The MMO is a different experience than PnP.

I really miss me some GURPS though sometimes.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I do like GURPS though, really!

Gogo Technomancer!

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I preferred Palladium to GURPS. D&D to Palladium and after much consideration; White Wolf was always my favorite.

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Darksiege
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Ugh, Palladium.

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I cut my gaming teeth on Palladium based games. At the time I had no frame of reference to see how badly the rules sucked, but I gotta go with Kaffis here. As much as Palladium had some neat settings, their ruleset absolutely blows.

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Every time I see that GURPS vehicles demotivator, I think it would be easier to design vehicles in GURPS if people weren't **** retarded. Maybe I'd have a higher opinion of the guy who wrote all that **** out if I could see the rest of the triangle.

But that still doesn't address the rest of the demotivator, which is essentially, "Durr! Calculus is hard! Let's make a GURPS joke!"

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No no, you have it backwards.

Its "Durr, GURPS Vehicles is hard! Lets make a Calculus Joke!"

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Holy shitsnacks!

Gurps is the noise I make when I re-taste my dinner.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Lets remember this about GURPS mus... It took Mark and I 3 weeks to design my power armor. And all i wanted was for the bastard to fly and have some guns

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

GURPS Mecha made power armor a HELL of a lot easier. Back when I was more into the rules than I am now, I could probably do a suit of powered armor in about 30 min... which is still a lot, but you get the point

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I never got that in depth with the vehicles stuff. I think the newer version is better at that stuff. Or we were doing it wrong

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

So, the group finished the Keep on the Shadowfell module last night. It was fun, very challenging, and interesting. We had a group of 4 characters - a Paladin, a Battle Cleric (me), a Rogue, and a Wizard. Here are my thoughts -

1) Bad Guy scaling is excellent. Having minions with 1hp makes for a pretty good adventure-movie environment, where I can cut through minions on my way to a real threat. However, nearly everyone is limited to a single attack per round, so the only one cutting a real swath was the Wizard (and sometimes me with a good Turn Undead roll). The minions can still be a serious threat. Vampire Spawn hurt.

2) Non standard healing is...odd. Everyone having their own healing surges is bizarre. In the end, there's a hell of a lot more healing to be had in 4e. I never felt like I was the heal bot. My attacks and other actions allowed other people to spend healing surges, and that meant I could do fun stuff while playing my role. In the course of the whole game we only had two people go under zero HP. However, many times it was down to the wire, which I suppose is by design.

3) Tactical sliding, pushing, and pulling critters is a very nice addition. No more stand and deliver fight mechanics. People shift about, making combat feel a little more realistic.

4) Bloodied is an interesting mechanic, but I think the condition monitor from Saga would have been a better choice.

5) A system finally got two weapon fighting mostly right, but it feels a little boring now. Ah well.

6) Wizards blow up minions real good, but loose steam on bosses. Kind of sad to see attack rolls on magic missile casts.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

That's because the ruined the wizard, and that in itself is probably about 40% of why I don't like the new ruleset.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

They did that in an effort to balance classes. They made everyone special, so that no one is.

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Darksiege
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Well I mean for new gamers it would be fine... the wizard just is what he is. But for people with any history in the D&D system, I can't see being happy.

"I can kill a bajillion minions, but I can't even touch the boss-man."

That doesn't sound fun to me, and it wasn't when I played it. Sure, I know it fits the "controller" role (a misnamed role if ever there was one, btw), but that doesn't change the fact that a stated aim of this rulesystem was to allow all players to contribute, and against any non-minion monsters the wizard just plain doesn't.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

wow, magic missiles aren't an automatic hit anymore? That's just... wrong.

Yeah, but they are an at-will power, so you never run out. Basically, Wizards have unlimited pew-pew, but have to roll to hit.

Rolling to hit on every mob in an AoE seems to drag down the system, as well. I understand why they do it (so that you don't waste an entire round with a single bad roll or romperstomper with a single great one), but it bogs things down a bit.

We only played to 3rd level, and I don't know if Wizards ever get to pick up that pile of six sided dice as they scale up. I hope so. There is a great deal of fun in the first 5d6 fireball you toss.

edit - When I look at the system, I'm really happy they made everyone special. The biggest problem with 3.x is that eventually, the arcane caster inevitably became the star of the show. I think giving folks powers they can use per encounter and daily helped to mitigate that, but I'm not so sure Wizard should have been a controller class. I think it should have been a striker class.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Thats what Sorcerers are If you want a striker wizard, play a sorcerer. I have a pretty sick sorcerer build I made for a one shot at level 13 I think. He was doin 1d10+22 lightning damage with his at wills, and he had some other effect to it, but I can't remember what it was

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What Crim said. As far as rolling to hit vs. everything in an AoE; that's mitigated by only one damage roll. Also, it's no more rolls than in the inverted (relative to 4e) 3.x system, where one spell would result in a saving throw from everything in the AoE. The only difference is that it's one guy doing all the rolling. This can be compensated for, partially, by designating targets and making a simultaneous attack roll with multiple dice, at which point, in a familiar group, it should be no more or less time consuming than the old system.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

They don't ever get to roll any more dice than every other class.

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Do a search for my post on proposed changes to solo monsters.

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Hmm, that's a good point. I suppose it's a wash assuming a spell that allowed a save, which was basically every AoE in the game. Lots of D20s is the answer, I suppose.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Which is pretty much an inversion from what I would consider the history of the system.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

If we're talking about the history of the system, what the **** is a sorcerer?

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It's a 9th-level Magic-User.

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