The Glade 4.0

You know what?

**** this argument about "carrying papers." You want to live in my country, come here legally. You want to stay in my country, live here legally. Guess what part of the requirement for both those is? Having a **** ID that says that while you may have an accent, you are indeed allowed to be here.

My Scottish neighbor has had to carry her green card on her for 30+ years she's been living in this country, because she actually complies with Federal law.

So here's the bottom line in my mind at this point, because I'm tired of the discussion (and I don't just mean from people here, I mean the country at large):
If you don't want to enforce the law, you are personally advocating and encouraging criminal behavior.

Furthermore, by doing so, you encourage other usurpations of the rule of law as well, and by extension should have no rights.

I have a Social Security number. I had one even when my dad was an E-1 nonimmigrant (temporary worker requiring sponsorship) and we were just here as his dependents. The card said "not eligible for employment" or something like that but I did have a number. That line might come up when the computer checks it, I don't know. When we got our green cards and became permanent residents I got a Social Security card that looks like anyone else's Social Security card. I suppose it's possible the computer might still flag me as a noncitizen but I doubt it.

How does it get rid of a lot of illegal immigrants? How does legal immigrants suddenly carrying documentation suddenly make it so much easier to get rid of illegals? Legal immigrants are already a small minority, you're talking about minor efficiency gains involved here by making it somewhat easier for the police to verify immigration status should they stop and suspect a legal immigrant of being illegal. If they stop a citizen or illegal immigrant, this law does not help them investigate that person at all.

Why do I suspect that you'd be the first to be all up in arms if YOU were required to carry identification all the time to prove your citizenship status.

Which would be perfectly fine because he is a citizen.

Tell that to the hispanic/asian/arab/foreign looking US citizen who is now going to be regularly hassled by the way this law is designed.

How is requesting a driver's license harassment?

Currently today, it is completely legal to walk around without any identification on you.

Tell that to the hispanic/asian/arab/foreign looking US citizen who is now going to be regularly hassled by the way this law is designed.

Currently today, it is completely legal to walk around without any identification on you. While most of us probably all have our drivers license on their person right now, it's not a requirement. Additionally, it's also perfectly legal to NOT have a drivers license.

You're making an excellent case for having fewer ridiculous laws that impose a huge burden for no real benefit.

Seriously, you want the government to enforce every law? You have some idea how many laws there actually are, right? Especially the legacy ones that are horribly retarded. (This would be a good example.)

I have no idea how anyone could read that Federal law and think that it's a good idea to carry their green card around. The chance of you losing it or having it stolen is an order of magnitude greater than a law enforcement official actually asking you to produce it, and the consequences if the former happens are far greater.

You're talking about an offense here that's less serious than speeding, there's no reason to get all high and mighty over it even if you believe that there is some kind of moral duty to obey the law, because everyone commits more serious legal violations every single day.

Why do I suspect that you'd be the first to be all up in arms if YOU were required to carry identification all the time to prove your citizenship status.

Tell that to the hispanic/asian/arab/foreign looking US citizen who is now going to be regularly hassled by the way this law is designed.

On a side note, from my perspective, not that I want you to care DE, but you are coming off as a bit of a dick in this thread.

Are you sure it isn't me that's being a dick? Cuz, 1) most people here usually say I am and, 2) I really don't give a crap when it comes to this topic anymore. Whereas it was previously shades of gray, it is wholly black and white to me at this point.

Actually when I strangely felt the urge to post in hellfire I don't think you had chimed in yet, or at least, not in earnest. If it makes you feel better I'd be glad to ask DE to budge over and put you in the same bucket. Honestly, I didn't read all the posts after the first page when I started to write my oh so eloquent post.

I also have a SSN, had it on an H1-B visa. Now, I am negligent in carrying around the green card at all times, same as I don't carry my passport at all times.

On a side note, from my perspective, not that I want you to care DE, but you are coming off as a bit of a dick in this thread.

Edit: wow, this thread added alot while i was open in my quick post window...

Why the U.S. has some special obligation to accomadate everyone else's citizens is beyond me.

I'd not have a problem carrying my passport when I'm out and about in another country and in fact do so.

Then again, I take being a visitor as seriously as they want me to and try to honor the requirements of the country in which I'm a guest.

If I don't like the house rules, I'll leave the house.

Mexico Files Suit Against Arizona Over Immigration Law

Tue Jun 22 2010 14:10:09 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by Angela Kaye Mason ( 1 comment )

June 22 (THAINDIAN NEWS) Mexico has filed suit against the state of Arizona over the controversial immigration law which was signed into law by Arizona Governor Jan Brewer and will take effect on June 29. Despite the fact that her own country’s government has also threatened to file, Governor Brewer is not backing down.

In a statement which Governor Brewer gave on Friday she stated that the decision by the Obama to sue one of the country’s own states was “outrageous” but “not surprising” and went on to say, “Our federal government should be using its legal resources to fight illegal immigration, not the law-abiding citizens of Arizona.”

In addition Brewer expressed, “I will ensure the immigration laws we passed are vigorously defended all the way to the United States Supreme Court if necessary, where this reasonable law will ultimately be found constitutional.”

Attorneys for the country of Mexico submitted a legal document today (Tuesday) which requested that a federal court declare the new immigration law in Arizona as unconstitutional, and was in support of getting the law changed.

Although Obama once stated that a family out for ice cream could be harassed by police because of this new law, the actual law itself states that the police can ask for proof of citizenship only after the person in question has already perpetrated another incident or crime, for instance if they are driving with no license, or robbing the ice cream store in Obama’s statement. In such instances, it is a misdemeanor to be in Arizona illegally, or to work there unless you are legally in the country.

The argument for Arizona is simple: The reason that the term for such person is already “illegal alien” is that the law in question has been a federal law for years, but was not being enforced, thus the reason for Arizona making it a state law. Therefore it was already “illegal” before the Arizona law.

But Mexico, in their suit, is saying that they wish to have “consistent relations” with the United States and should not be “frustrated” by one state. Mexico also says it has a “legitimate interest in defending it’s citizens’ rights” and this law would lead to racial profiling. Others argue that if these people are Mexican citizens, with no papers, then they are in Arizona illegally.



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Amendment 11 - Judicial Limits. Ratified 2/7/1795. Note History

The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State

Mexican Officials to Patrol Staten Island Following Latest Bias Attack
Sixth attack against immigrants since April
By JUAN DEJESUS
Updated 2:03 PM EDT, Wed, Jul 28, 2010
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Police are investigating another assault on a Hispanic man in Staten Island as a possible hate crime -- and the Mexican government is now getting involved as well.
Five men attacked the 40-year-old Mexican man Friday night as he was walking home after a soccer game at Faber Park, cop said. The attackers allegedly pummeled him while yelling anti-Mexican epithets. The man suffered head trauma, a fractured jaw and needed ten stitches above his eye, officials said.
The group of men made off with his backpack.
This is at least the sixth violent, ethnically-charged incident that has taken place in the neighborhood since April, and community leaders are urging residents to remain alert.

“We will act decisively in order to protect our citizens and will actively promote that those guilty of these vicious attacks are brought to justice expeditiously. We are working hand-in-hand with local authorities on all levels,” said Consul General of Mexico in New York, Ruben Beltran in an email to the Staten Island Advance.

The latest victim is a construction worker who has called the United States his home for the last five years, said Beltran. Police say they are looking for five suspects in this latest case, which is being investigated as a hate crime.
Beltran has asked the NYPD to “conduct a thorough investigation” of the alleged hate-crime cases. Beltran has offered “extensive cooperation and all the necessary support to ensure that justice is served.”

According to the Advance, this latest incident has promoted the Mexican Consulate to post personnel in Staten Island until further notice. This move is an effort to safeguard the rights of individuals and effectively assist and provide information to the Mexican residents of this area.

The Guardian Angels, lead by Curtis Sliwa, have also pledged to patrol the area. Make the Road New York, a local community group that serves the communities of Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island is organizing a march that will take place on Wednesday.
Mexican officials have also created an information line that for immigrants to contact if they are afraid to contact authorities directly, the number is 1-800-724-7264.

It's not politically correct for the United States to have sovereignty anymore, Leshani.