The Glade 4.0

yes. By all means. Lets praise people for fits of childish namecalling?

No.

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I think you and Aizle are both missing the much larger issue here.

And you think that is what?

I'm wondering how this hospital somehow failed to anticipate that some percentage of its patients would be indigent. Was there a huge increase in nonpayments in the past year?

No offense to the target, but that was an epic rant.

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It happens, especially here in Philadelphia, the hispanic population generally does not carry insurance, so it has been a cascade effect of closed hospitals as they carry their burden place to place, MCP, Graduate, North Eastern and we are tying to figure out where the grape vine sends them next because that hospital will go under in 5-10 years.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

Clearly, Riov's never read the evidence.

It's not just the no insurance ER people. While I agree something should be done about those that use the ER as their primary care physician(while still taking the traumas and strokes), there is more to it than that. Sometimes insurance companies (and Medicare is a big offender) deny reembursement for procedures already done due to "paperwork snafus" or they just take their sweet time to pay. So insuraning the whole nation won't get rid of outstanding bills. Law of averages holding true more clients will equal more outstanding bills

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Squirrel Girl has mentioned this several times in the past: Medicare/Medicaid Compliance is the single largest operating cost for any healthcare provider in this country. Why on earth would think that expanding THAT bureaucracy would make the system more efficient?

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I see what you did there.


Ok, I have a question....obviously, people who have no means of payment or insurance cost hospitals a huge sum of money every year. I get that part. I also get that the hospital has to recoup their costs somehow and wind up charging more for other things when insurance and people can pay for stuff. That makes sense too.
What doesn't make sense to me, is how is forcing EVERYONE to have health insurance going to fix anything? I mean, those who already have health coverage would already be obeying the law, so that doesn't change. But the people who could not afford it before are still not going to be able to afford it and then they will be in debt to the hospitals for the services AND the government for non-compliance?
And if its made to where those who can't afford insurance get it provided for free by the government....well, then wouldn't the cost go directly to the taxpayers, AKA the citizens who already had health insurance to begin with?
So really, the end result would be that we all pay for everyone elses care instead of the burden falling on the hospital.

So....can't we just cut the BS and the health care plan and just call it like it is? A government bail-out of the hospitals just like the car industry and the banking industry?

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Aye, that's why there are subsidies built into the ACA to help people who can't afford the insurance on their own.

You're thinking too much. So here's a picture of a kitten farting a rainbow.

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Holy shitsnacks!

It's such a lovely world you wish to construct there, Elm.

which is still piling the cost back onto those people already paying their medical bills. After all that money has to come from somewhere.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

RD, go build a world out of love and tell me how it turns out for ya.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Heh - I saw LK's new avatar before this. So I asked Lenas: Is her avatar farting a rainbow? 1 minute later I see this post.

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The Dude abides.

I think its very fitting....its so me. Hee hee. Thanks Arafys!

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

You're a colorful stinky pussy?

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Um. No.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

So, why not address the whole post rather than the obvious - that she already addressed?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

This this this.

This is actually just pushing money around. Instead of the insurance companies footing the bill (and passing on the costs to the people who are paying for insurance because they're not broke), now we've just got government footing the bill (and passing on the costs to the people who are paying for taxes because they're not broke).

Net change? 0 to negative, as the government doesn't have competition to encourage its bureaucracy to remain lean.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

except that people without insurance pay taxes so instead of the costs being borne soley by those with insurance, the cost is borne by the somewhat larger pool of people who pay taxes.

Until those people without insurance begin to cover illegal immigrants who work under the table and pay inadequate amounts of taxes in comparison to others, or until you begin to cover those who are unemployed and homeless and get free assistance because they have no income and cannot pay taxes.

Do you even think before you type this **** man?

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Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

You sure about that? Almost half the nation didn't pay taxes this past year. It would be pretty safe to assume that if people can't afford insurance, they aren't paying much if any in taxes yearly.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."