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Oh ok. I don't know anything about copyright law.

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It's ok. Most people don't, but think they do. And while IANAL, I've had to study it slightly for two degrees I possess.

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DFK! wrote:

You believe it to be protected material, but based on what grounds?


The cover art for the album is the copyrighted work of the photographer who took/created the image, and myself. That's not just my face, it's a piece of the overall cover of the album. It does not belong to him.

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Entertainers, politicians, and others who put themselves into a public spotlight have a reduced expectation of privacy for their image. Period. That's the law.


It's not merely my image. For example, if he posted a picture of me taken in public, or a youtube video of my performance, that would be one thing. But that image isn't merely just my face. Unless of course you think I actually have a quarter slot from a 1930's era mechanical horse coming out of the side of my head.

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Let's assume it is protected though; one of the grounds for winning any dispute would be an assessment of what you've done to protect that copyright. Have you posted notices online and in all other areas where that copyright appears?


Pretty sure that's on the website, yes. Also, on the CD cover. The artist that created the images for both albums is also the person who crafted the Website. And took every photograph on the website. It's all her work.

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Did you register a trademark? Failure to protect material indicates you don't hold that material as valuable. Hence, xerox can be used lower-case and without permission, as can kleenex, even though both are registered brand-name trademarks: they failed to protect their material.


Pretty sure I'm covered by copyright, and so is the artist that took those pictures and made the album cover, even if I don't have a registered trademark.

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If anyone is interested, you can go to this website and take a look at my stuff. About Damn Time is not in print at the moment, but you can download Quarters (the album with the image above) from Itunes. It's a lot of SCA specific music, but it's mine. You might find something you like.

Now you all have my image, my last name, etc.

By the way, Nitefox, I'm not sure that image *is* considered public domain. It belongs both to me and the person who created it, and I'm pretty sure that if I request that you stop using my image, you're supposed to comply. Someone with more legal knowledge might have a better take on that.

Until then, consider this an official cease and desist request. You do not have my permission to use that image.



Get a lawyer.

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Monte wrote:
DFK! wrote:

You believe it to be protected material, but based on what grounds?


The cover art for the album is the copyrighted work of the photographer who took/created the image, and myself. That's not just my face, it's a piece of the overall cover of the album. It does not belong to him.

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Entertainers, politicians, and others who put themselves into a public spotlight have a reduced expectation of privacy for their image. Period. That's the law.


It's not merely my image. For example, if he posted a picture of me taken in public, or a youtube video of my performance, that would be one thing. But that image isn't merely just my face. Unless of course you think I actually have a quarter slot from a 1930's era mechanical horse coming out of the side of my head.

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Let's assume it is protected though; one of the grounds for winning any dispute would be an assessment of what you've done to protect that copyright. Have you posted notices online and in all other areas where that copyright appears?


Pretty sure that's on the website, yes. Also, on the CD cover. The artist that created the images for both albums is also the person who crafted the Website. And took every photograph on the website. It's all her work.

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Did you register a trademark? Failure to protect material indicates you don't hold that material as valuable. Hence, xerox can be used lower-case and without permission, as can kleenex, even though both are registered brand-name trademarks: they failed to protect their material.


Pretty sure I'm covered by copyright, and so is the artist that took those pictures and made the album cover, even if I don't have a registered trademark.


See, some of your statements here are indicating an ignorance on the law you're attempting to cite. Again though, let's assume you're correct in your claims of copyright:

For example, the "artist who took the photograph" doesn't own anything if they did so for you. You'd own the artwork, not them. Commissioned works are possessed by the commissioner, not the commissionee.

This would also be true of any website she/he created on your behalf.

In fact, if you failed to acquire ownership of these items, perhaps by not reading your contract, you would not have a leg to stand on but would instead need the artist/creator to have an issue with their use.

Furthermore, unless you own your server, your copyright could be subject to terms of use with your host.

Finally, and I'm repeating myself because I haven't had the chance to look at your linked site from work, you have to actively enforce copyright and trademark. Unless you have legal notices written each time those items appear you would have a hard time winning any challenge against their use.

For example, making a post on a forum that says, "I don't think you have permission to use that, so stop," is not enforcement. You'd have to get a binding letter from an attorney to the host, the admin, and/or the user. See, that's the problem with anonymity on the internet, who is to say you are who you say you are?

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Honestly, I think the copyright debate is interesting but beside the point. Nitefox should just stop using the avatar, and if he doesn't, Monte should just ask the mods via PM to do something about it.


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Nitefox, please change your avatar.

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Wow, just when I thought this place couldn't get more assholish.

Seriously dude, you have no class what so ever.


You'll live.


You're right, I will. I think you misunderstand my comment. Your actions mean nothing to me, but only serve to show the world what a low class petty individual you are.



I'm rubber you're glue? Get over it. Better yet, why don't you drive to Texas and see Monty and you two can hug it out and have a group session about how mean someone you've never met is being to someone else you've never met.

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[...]Monte should just ask the mods via PM to do something about it.


And why should they? Because it offends him?

Spurious logic at best. I want the mods to remove everything that offends me, in that case.

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Nitefox, please change your avatar.



Am I breaking a rule?

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Seriously. Only thing I altered on that picture was the name of the album. He put that picture out there of his own accord for all the world to see. He wants it out there. He's just pissed that I found it and used as my avatar. Granted I think my fun backfired because now he has just one other thing to claim to be a victim about.

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I'm going to ask politely, one more time. Please stop using my image as your Avatar. Thank you.

If you were going for polite, why'd you put this thread in Hellfire, out of the purview of the mods?

See, I look at this thread placement, and I see "oh, look, Nitefox gave me a thinly veiled justification to attack him! Let me post it in Hellfire so I don't have to be nice after I feign a 'polite' request so I can play the victim when he doesn't acquiesce!"

Had this been placed in General, I'd have been far more sympathetic to your request.

It should also be noted, that if you hadn't made this thread, I wouldn't have even known the avatar was you.

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Nitefox wrote:
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Nitefox, please change your avatar.



Am I breaking a rule?


There are no rules, so you can't be breaking them.

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[...]Monte should just ask the mods via PM to do something about it.


And why should they? Because it offends him?

Spurious logic at best. I want the mods to remove everything that offends me, in that case.


No because doing so can make the site legally responsible for copyright infringement themselves if they have a request they can reasonably beleive to be from the copyright holder and fail to follow through. This then forces them to remove it or risk a legal hassle they don't want.

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I'm going to ask politely, one more time. Please stop using my image as your Avatar. Thank you.

If you were going for polite, why'd you put this thread in Hellfire, out of the purview of the mods?

See, I look at this thread placement, and I see "oh, look, Nitefox gave me a thinly veiled justification to attack him! Let me post it in Hellfire so I don't have to be nice after I feign a 'polite' request so I can play the victim when he doesn't acquiesce!"

Had this been placed in General, I'd have been far more sympathetic to your request.

It should also be noted, that if you hadn't made this thread, I wouldn't have even known the avatar was you.



Just to piggy back this, he could have sent me a PM first but didn't. He wanted the drama and the chance to play victim to something. The majority of people would not have known it was him and I had no intention of telling anyone.

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No more legally responsible for copyright infringement than using a scene from Princess Bride as an avatar, or most of the others used here.

I mean, it might be a dick thing for Nite to do, but if you are going to enforce copyright infringement on avatar pics, at least be consistant.


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I removed it.

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Did you get Cary Elwes's permission to use his picture Monty?

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I removed it.



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Guessing consistency is out the window.


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Avatars are not board specific. If you want to only post here Nitefox, and delete every other post you've made on this board, you still cant have it. So there. Seriously, stop being babies ffs.

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IBTL.

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Ladas wrote:
Guessing consistency is out the window.



Seems so. Idiot mods strike again.

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It's not about copyright infringement. That's something you guys decided on your own. It's about not being a dick. We allow you to be dicks, but at least try to be dicks concerning issues. When you do stuff like this, it's just taking pot shots directly at people for no other reason than to be spiteful. Also, avatars are not confined solely to Hellfire, so it has a good chance to spread animosity to other parts of the board. It's the same reason I asked Hopwin to stop with his avatar shenanigans.

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Avatars are not board specific. If you want to only post here Nitefox, and delete every other post you've made on this board, you still cant have it. So there. Seriously, stop being babies ffs.



Stop being an inconsistent ******* and let me have the avatar I want. Don't cave to that wuss Monty.

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