The Glade 4.0

Reach or throw! don't go!

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Squirrel Girl -

Yes, but can they make Beignet?

Friend of mine had a two week contract (installing a newspaper layout computer system with an amazing printer - for the day) in New Orleans a couple of years before Katrina. He came back 15 pounds heavier and blamed it on the Beignet, Hush Puppies, and a Creole restaurant he ate a lot of his meals at.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Reading comprehension. Learn it.

No, I don;t want them to die. Don't be a toolbox. The admirable quality is in their bravery. Look, if there's a burning building, and no one is around, and someone is trapped inside, do you sit there and let them burn, or do you try to help. Yes, you might die in trying to rescue them. Especially if you are not highly trained. But do you just stand there and let them die?

I don't think I could just let someone burn. Perhaps you're different.

If I see someone who's getting the **** kicked out of them, I'm helping them. If I see an attempted rape, I'm acting to stop it. If someone is being dragged into an alley, I'm not going to just walk on by. Call me crazy.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Stupidity /= Bravery.

English. Learn it.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

How bad is the building burning? As a general rule, however, yes, you stay outside. If the building is anywhere near fully engulfed, you're going to die. Just opening the door can kill you when the fire gets that sudden blast of oxygen. They told us at the police academy to stay out unless the fire was clearly still very small; you're just going to be another casualty that makes it harder on the firefighters.



Chances are that you will only succeed in burning with them. If they can find a place like a bathroom the firemen have a good chance of getting them out; if they can't, you won't be able to help them unless you get there VERY early. Fire spreads at an amazing rate; a square function if I recall correctly.



That's different. Most adult males have at least some skill at fighting, and you might succeed in scaring off the attacker. In your particular case you're a big guy and reasonably skilled in melee combat.

I'd feel quite confident in such a situation as well; I would feel somewhat confident in a drowning situation as I'm an excellent swimmer and was a lifeguard at one time. I wouldn't feel confident at all about rescuing a person from a fire.

In fires and HAZMAT events, rescuers are overcome by fumes before even reaching victims. There's a reason special equipment is used entering situations like that. Really Monty, you have GOT to understand this if you ever find yourself at a situation like that - it may be emotionally hard to stay back but you HAVE TO if it is not something you can handle. You might actually cause that person to die when they might have lived by slowing proper rescuers up when you go down.

If it's something in your area of skill, like stopping a rape.. go crazy man. It's all you.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Isn't that the definition of liberalism?

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In this case though it isnt just "someone" drowning. It's your kid or kids of people you know. It's so tragic that none of these people, not one, could swim.

If it's my kid, **** yes I'm jumping in. At least I pray I would. Fire, water or whatever.

Kind of related story: My family went rafting in Colorado when I was maybe 16 or so. Wasn't white water by any means but we did hit some decent currents. Anyway the guide let us out of the boat at a calm spot to kinda float down river a bit.

At a very unassuming little current pushing past a rock, my leg got caught between the rock and a branch under the water. My head was above water, and I was essentially ok in that I could breathe, but the spray of the water was coming over my head so it definitely looked bad and I couldnt free myself at first. My dad dove in and ripped my leg free, scratching up his head and face in the process. My right calf is still smaller than the other because of this incident btw.

The guide (who was a huge dude that looked like a Stone Cold Steve Austin type) did absolutely nothing, he pretty much froze.

Granted, my dad can swim, but I dont think it would have mattered if he couldnt.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

That's awesome, Dash.
But not one of these parents did so much as look for something to throw.
They just stood there crying.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

I think people are getting caught up here in the false dilemma of "do nothing" versus "jump in" (not in the intentionaly logical fallcy sense, just in terms of not understanding).

When you need to rescue someone in the water, going in after them is the LAST option. If you can't swim, then it isn't an option. However, there are plenty of other alternatives, such as throwing them a rope, floatation device or even a log that will float, or reaching for them with an object. You see those big hooks at pools; that's what they're for.

Alternatively you can go with support such as a boat, life vest, or other form of support, such as tying yourself off with a line.

Going in with no support is something only a properly trained lifeguard should do, and they should avoid it if at all possible; that's why lifegaurds now all carry those long floatation things with a sling on a rope; so that they don't get caught out in deep water and become exhausted with a swimmer who is also exhausted or panicing.

I understand perfectly people's feelings about prents and kids; I have two of them, and my younger daughter has fallen into a pool before; fortunately my wife, me and my older daughter were all there and my older daughter was right next to her and snatched her traight out of the water. However, all of us know how to swim; if, for example, my wife didn't swim I wouldn't ever let her go supervise the children while they swim; I'd do it myself (or now that the older one is old enough, let her do it). An emergency would mean her doing some insinctive mommy-protective thing that might easily mean I lost 2 of them instead of just 1.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

....you would teach her how to swim in less than 2 weeks...before ya'll even had kids. So thats not really a valid hypothetical.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

I'm not really bashing the parents I guess either. I mean, people have their limitations. That's the nicest way to say it. I dont doubt they wanted to save the kids, but in situations like that you can freeze up, not think clearly.

People do dumb things. Go in the river thinking it's safe even if they cant swim so long as they can touch bottom. It's just tragic.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

I would? What if she didn't want to? What if we didn't have a facility or time or something?

Besides, she had a 9-year-old when we met, so it would have been impossible to do it before we had kids anyhow. It's a perfectly valid hypothetical. I might have taught her to swim or might not have? You can't just assume it away like that.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

If you are anything IRL like you are here, I'd be very surprised.
Not a bad thing, just an observation.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth