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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:30 pm 
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In recent months, President Obama reversed his campaign promises on trade issues - first by dropping his pledge to renegotiate NAFTA and then by pushing to pass NAFTA-style trade agreements with South Korea, Panama and Colombia. Now, with the unemployment crisis persisting, the key jobs question is once again front a center in American politics. Specifically: How do we create jobs here at home and build our most valuable 21st century industries?
The first and foremost answer is that our government should stop doing stuff like the program described in this stunning new report from Information Week:

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U.S. To Train 3,000 Offshore IT Workers
Despite President Obama's pledge to retain more hi-tech jobs in the U.S., a federal agency run by a hand-picked Obama appointee has launched a $22 million program to train workers, including 3,000 specialists in IT and related functions, in South Asia.

Following their training, the tech workers will be placed with outsourcing vendors in the region that provide offshore IT and business services to American companies looking to take advantage of the Asian subcontinent's low labor costs...

The outsourcing program (is) sure to draw the most fire from critics. While Obama acknowledged that occupations such as garment making don't add much value to the U.S. economy, he argued relentlessly during his presidential run that lawmakers needed to do more to keep hi-tech jobs in IT, biological sciences, and green energy in the country.


Now look, I'm all for a robust foreign aid budget - we don't do nearly enough to help the developing world. However, using foreign aid money to specifically help private corporations "take advantage of low labor costs" in the developing world - that's not "aid," that's rank taxpayer subsidization of for-profit exploitation.

Right now, Even if we do not reform our atrocious trade policies that incentivize the ongoing wage-cutting race to the bottom, the least we should be doing is investing every single available dollar we have in job training and job creation here at home. Doing the opposite - actually using public dollars to intensify that wage-cutting race to the bottom - is grotesque.


"Let's create more jobs to jump-start our economy!"
"Sir, the jobs won't be here."
"Oh, right. Well, unskilled labor jobs don't really bring much to our economy anyways, so go cheap overseas labor!"
"Sir, these are IT job training funds."
"Right. Let's just not talk about this, huh?"

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Following their training, the tech workers will be placed with outsourcing vendors in the region that provide offshore IT and business services to American companies looking to take advantage of the Asian subcontinent's low labor costs...


Um.....isn't that going to have the added effect of making more US jobs disappear? Isn't that the opposite of creating more jobs? Aren't we sort of at a point economically where we are desperate to create new jobs, let alone KEEP jobs?
This is why I hate politics. Its so dang hard to follow!

EDIT: And we're spending out own tax money to do this?? That sounds really...dumb. Spending our own money that we don't have to create job opportunities for people that take away our jobs?

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The answer to all your questions, Kate, is "yes."

The thing you're not grasping is that Obama doesn't give a damn about you, the nation's economy, or what you think, let alone want. He's got a vision of America that is 180 degrees diametrically opposed to what we've all grown up dreaming about for our future, and he thinks he's got the steam and means, and, more importantly (in his mind) the RIGHT to entrench his world upon us in order to get a pat on the back from his socialist buddies here and abroad.

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That stinks.

I wanna go back to childhood where everything was black and white not shades of gray.
It was easy to tell the good guys from the bad guys, and the president was ALWAYS a hero.

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LadyKate wrote:
It was easy to tell the good guys from the bad guys, and the president was ALWAYS a hero.
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Not since Nixon and arguably before that to a much less publicized extent (Truman, Hoover, etc). Sorry :(

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Not when I was 5! All I knew about the President (or any of them) was that they were heroes.

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I'm withholding judgment on this until all the facts are in. It's small potatoes in the grand scheme of thing, but is symbolically bad.

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LadyKate wrote:
Not when I was 5! All I knew about the President (or any of them) was that they were heroes.


I knew that there were presidents and one of them apparently got in trouble with Oliver North for playing Contra on the Nintendo. The guy before that was a farmer, so he must have been the reason I liked bacon so much...

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I'm withholding judgment on this until all the facts are in. It's small potatoes in the grand scheme of thing, but is symbolically bad.

I'm not arguing it's not small potatoes. But it's taking direct aim on the exact sectors of our economy that we haven't let languish and have been letting our policy economists tell us can support ourselves in absence of actual production. When you run a service economy, and then start a program, no matter how small, to snipe service jobs... How can you NOT call that taking aim at the American people? Especially in a supposed populist guy, supposedly supporting Main Street, and in a way down economy.

I mean, you say withholding judgement, but you DO realize that everybody here is going to see no other way to read that as "knob-slobbering the Prez, but I can't talk my way out of it directly, so I'll express mild displeasure and insist that there may be some good to come out of it that my Savior is just smarter enough than me to see where I can't"?

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That didn't take long

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Monte wrote:

Did you read the article? They don't dispute a word of the plan. They spend 1/2 a page explaining the difference between outsourcing and offshoring (thanks?) then the remainder dismissing the fact that it is happening at all because "it's a paltry sum".

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Yeah, your article is a hack job Monte.

That said, USAID is a foreign aid department, directed by the Sec of State's office, so providing aid to foreign countries via different programs is completely within their directive. And I applaud the fact they are using the aid to train people to become self sufficient, not just handing out money as is typical.

That said, only a buffoon would not see the direct link between off short support firms that are prolific in that part of the country and US tech jobs here, and the negative connotation most people are going to have when reading the nature of this training, and putting 2 and 2 together in this economy of high unemployment here.

Even the blog you posted mentions that the potential for Sri Lanke to start pulling jobs from India, due to lower labor costs, which were jobs originally taken from where? Yeah.

It might be harmless, but it certainly doesn't portray a good plan from the administration.


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Actually, now we have a source ...

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Hopwin wrote:
Monte wrote:

Did you read the article? They don't dispute a word of the plan. They spend 1/2 a page explaining the difference between outsourcing and offshoring (thanks?) then the remainder dismissing the fact that it is happening at all because "it's a paltry sum".



Yes, I read it. It also made the argument that this is about foreign aid to a devastated country desperately in need of such aid. I'm ok with that.

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Monte wrote:
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Monte wrote:

Did you read the article? They don't dispute a word of the plan. They spend 1/2 a page explaining the difference between outsourcing and offshoring (thanks?) then the remainder dismissing the fact that it is happening at all because "it's a paltry sum".



Yes, I read it. It also made the argument that this is about foreign aid to a devastated country desperately in need of such aid. I'm ok with that.

So they are devastated, much sadness, should the government put a GM plant over there since they own the corporation? That's foreign aid.

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So, when Republicans do it, it is "shipping hard working American jobs over-seas to maximize profits" but when Democrats do it, it becomes the ultimate act of self-sacrificial altruism?

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So, when Republicans do it, it is "shipping hard working American jobs over-seas to maximize profits and allowing Big <insert industry here> to exploit desperately poor people in underdeveloped nations" but when Democrats do it, it becomes the ultimate act of self-sacrificial altruism?


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You're right, I really hadn't attributed enough malice to Republicans. I hope Monte can find it in his heart to forgive me.

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