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So suggest someone yourself. I dont care who was 'officially' nominated. All I hear is people griping about who SHOULDNT have won.

Isnt that like saying that Mel Gibson shouldn't have won an Oscar but I cant tell you who should have?

I'd still be curious to hear what you think it is that he has done in the last 9 months that compares to the accomplishments of previous, deserving winners (which excludes Gore IMHO).

TheRiov:

Last time I checked, the Oscar's didn't come with a 1.4 million dollar cash payout and actually required someone to be in the movie (or attached to it).

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It's a fascinating glimpse into the zeitgeist of our age.

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This must be the change we kept hearing about.

How about this guy?

Ohhh. so you only object to unearned awards from private organizations if they have cash value?

TheRiov:

Strawman much? Or, did you just ignore the point about the Oscar's requiring demonstrated merit?

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I could be mistaken, but one of the stated goals of the Noble prize is to bring recognition to the efforts those who's actions are consistent with the goals of the specific prize. It should be of no surprise then that with a global prize, that people are not well educated on the potential recipients. I include myself in that group, and unless someone is brought to my attention, I don't know about them, so my ability to propose a winner based on what I read in our rather limited media is poor at best.

That said, it didn't take a lot of looking to find Greg Mortenson was one of those nominated. He sounds light years ahead of Obama in terms of actual work, effort and accomplishments, and he was only rated at 20 to 1 odds to win (yeah, I couldn't believe bookies had odds on potential winners either).

Aegnor beat me to it while I was writing my post. Good find.

The Riov:

Did someone gyp you out of the Nobel Peace Prize in a former life or something? Sorry, I just really don't understand why you're so ...irate over this.

The irony is that you said yourself that you don't believe he deserved it, but failed to mention someone who did :S

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Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

There were a few names leaked, and Mortenson was among the best of them. However, who should have won matters very little when the prize has been used to make a political statement twice in the last 3 years.

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actually you raised the point that the person had to be in a movie. Obama HAS been involved in peace efforts, (successful or un-) so I didn't feel the need to be derailed, but since you chose to accuse me of strawmaning much, I'm just going to refute your implied claim that Obama has had no role in peace efforts.

Of course the whole point you're going for is to get me defending Obama winning the prize-- something I'm NOT setting out to do.

I'm not actually trying to comment on him winning the prize or who SHOULD win the prize.

I'm commenting and calling you all out on the fact that you're so wrapped up in who SHOULDNT get the prize, you're ignoring the greater problem of who SHOULD have got it.

This is no different than a conversation parents have with their children.


Jenny Mooooommmmyyyyy!! Jimmy got a bigger serving than I did!
Parent: You dont even like this cassarole!
Jenny: But its not fair! He got more than I did!
Parent: Does it really matter? You're not going to eat what I gave you! Jimmy is actually going to eat what we give him. Can he have yours if you dont want it?
Jenny: NO! *proceeds to spit on food* Ok, I'm done. Can I get up from the table?


You wouldnt have gotten the money yourself. Its unlikely that Obama is going to keep the money personally. But everyone just cares about someone not getting a 'bigger peice' than them--not unlike a 7 year old.

That reasoning is quite frankly, one of the worst I have seen on the iterations of these boards Riov, and considering some of the other posters, that quite an accomplishment.

explain?

What on earth spawned this irrational tangent?

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Riov needs a nap. And a "cookie."

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To refute an argument, you provide examples where the poster has made an error, not provide an imaginary conversation as an example.

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Ok, then kindly demonstrate his sustained and effective participation in peace efforts that promote the stated and published goals of the Nobel Organization.

As to the rest of your post, I cannot imagine a world in which I would be nominated for such a prize. To whit, your attempt to equate me to a seven year old whining about what "I should have received" is both childish and ineffective. Perhaps, you should look over the list of people that have received the Nobel Peace Prize:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_No ... _laureates

At least two of the people on that list do not belong. We can argue the merits of two others pretty easily as well. The difference between the latest recipient, and all the rest, however: he was awarded preemptively with no history of action or effort to suggest he will live up to the challenge and standards of the Nobel Peace Prize.

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Michael when people are called upon to analyze their own behavior it has been my experience that they cannot do so logically. Only by de-personalizing the example (but compairing it so a similar situation) can they see how their behavior is actually flawed.

The analogy holds though. You dont want the prize yourself. You dont believe you have any claim to the prize, but someone else getting something you dont think they deserve (and he's not even keeping the money but donating it to charity!) just raises your hackles to the point you feel the need to come here and rant about it. Sounds like behavior I've seen in certain underaged peoples. (and most people vehemently opposed to social welfare programs too for that matter)

So pointing out that a person received something they did not earn is now a flaw?

So we can only complain about Obama getting the Nobel Prize if we wanted the prize for ourselves? You are not making any sense dude.

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Maybe if the **** did something to deserve the award. But please continue to zealously support someone who has done nothing good and continuously lied to the people.

Bravo old man, bravo.

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Did I say that? I would ASSUME that you could come to the conclusion that wanting the prize to go to someone else (ie you have an idea who it SHOULD go to) would still allow you to have an interest. I suppose we could change the example to have the child upset that someone ELSE didn't get the extra food, if that would make you feel better about the analogy.