The Glade 4.0

Learn to read. I made a crack about the slackass who hid the leaves. I did not say it was a public employee, nor did I try to make some dumbass political statement about it. I noticed in pic #1 dude was raking leaves, and in pic #2, they were hidden behind the statue.

Stop being so simply focused and turning everything into some libertarian circle jerk. It's annoying.



Rynar must be out of intelligent things to say again.



We know you don't. Assholes don't usually care that they are assholes.

If you possess ethics, they went out the door when you were moderating. You abused your power repeatedly, doing everything you could to get me into as much trouble as you could manage. You nettled, attacked, and broke several rules, but the others backed your hand.

You might be an ethical person in general, but in specific to this forum, and this board, you lost it. There's nothing cowardly about pointing it out. There was something cowardly in how you hid behind your big red pen back in the day.

You were one of several mods who abused their power. You did it because you had a personal vendetta, and you saw that vendetta through. My guess is that you took a great deal of pleasure in it.

But don't try and stand on some sort of moral high ground, DFK. You were a terrible mod, you abused your status as a mod, and whining about where I'm talking about it doesn't make that go away. You sucked at the job. Big time.

The thread to talk about it is here, not in another forum. So don't try to call me a coward for talking about the subject at hand. You are one of several examples of people that got big **** heads when they got the magic color text. I picked you because you were, in my experience, the worst offender. You're *still* whining that I'm questioning your ethics. Except, there's really no question in my mind.

You would happily break out your red text any time I said something mean to you and then threaten me with it. "Are you saying I'm not being honest?", you would write in red text in the middle of a normal text conversation (or something similar to that), making a not too subtle threat that if I answered your question, you would then take action as a mod.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Bullshit.

Prove it. Cite one example. It's the same iteration of the board, so it's out there for literally anybody to find and cite. You can't, because you're a coward, afraid to actually support what you say.


Furthermore, you've now impugned the ethics of all the other moderators at the time. There wasn't a single time I stepped out against you in a conversation I was in, and if I had I'd have perma-banned you the moment I was a moderator. In fact, small-brain, were you able to see the discussions about you and your rancid behavior at the time, you'd know that I actually went to long ends to get others to deal with you specifically because I wanted to avoid introducing bias.

In other words, you don't know what the **** you're talking about, but even if you did you'd still probably cry foul because you don't have any ability to do anything else. You're a scared, small-minded coward who doesn't deserve to be in this community any more.

Period.

In fact, I'll go a step further and say that the only reason there's a parallel thread debating mod behavior is because you're still here continually poisoning the well. The months you were gone from this forum were so quiet as to seem serene.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

You were fail, DFK. You know it, and I know it. You abused your red pen. You did it because you felt you were on a mission. And you completed that mission with flying colors. You shat on your ethics, and you used your red pen like a hammer. If we were in a quarrel, and you got cornered, it was red text time.

I don't need to prove anything to you, or to anyone else. I was there. I know exactly what happened, and what you did. It's a clear cut example of why poster-mods are a bad idea. You (and pretty much everyone else on the board) are incapable of setting aside your bullshit to be entirely unbiased. Incapable.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Oh look, no proof whatsoever to back up your wild ethics assertions. As predicted.

In addition, you've gone into not just mind-reading mode, but retroactive mind reading mode. You don't just know what I'm thinking, you knew what I was thinking a year ago! Holy ****, can you also tell me the lottery numbers tomorrow with your cosmic psychic powers?

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

The fact that you continue to get this worked up about it reaffirms my suspicions. Your guilt is driving you into a frenzy. It's the same frenzy it drove you to when you busted out your red sledgehammer.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

FWIW, I think DFK was a damn good mod.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Which frenzy? The one in which I continue to point out that you haven't posted evidence while simultaneously having an IM convo with Kaffis about a TTWG I want to design, while also setting up statistical tables to run basic stats on the rules model I'm considering?

That frenzy? I mean, if it's that one, you're basically receiving less than 10% of my focus, no "rage" or "guilt" or "ire" or really anything else, but you keep protecting, magical-cosmic-psychic-power-man.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

I think if Monte is going to make these accusations, he had better provide proof. I suspect I'm more angry than DFK! is at the moment, if only because it irritates me to see someone who was a competent mod slandered without any actual proof or links to back up the accusation.

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Grenade 3 Sports Drink. It's fire in the hole.. Your hole!

Montegue, put up or shut up you piece of human refuse.

If DFK! was as bad as you say he was, put up a link or admit to being the lying little piece of **** you are.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

FWIW, I don't.

and for the record... I think all of the mods are mentally unstable for even taking a gorram mod position. On a forum as volatile as ours is.... that seems to promise as much fun as taking a belt sander to your genetalia.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

DFK! was a **** fantastic mod. Monty's just hijacking the thread in order to play and entire hand's worth of victim cards because there was a period of time where his usual horseshit wasn't being tolerated. The problem wasn't DFK! as a mod, or any of the other mods; it was, and is, Monty. "Unbiased" to him means "I can say whatever I want as long as I don't go into screaming, name-calling hissy fits, but if someone else comments about liberals in general it's a personal attack on me." It's a double standard, but he never has had any problem with them as long as they benefit him.

As to the originial topic, Michael didn't do anything wrong. The entire discussion about public employees, their relative merits, and their unions, belonged in this forum. If it had been here, the pointless personal insults wouldn't have been necessary and we wouldn't have had to listen to a pompous lecture on ethics over a fart in a thunderstorm.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

This. But Monty won't do it. DFK is right, he's a coward. He is just hoping that the mere mention of impropriety will cast doubt on DFK's mod time.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

I appreciate those of you speaking up, even Arathain's dissenting opinion. I naturally disagree with Arathain, but I'd like to just say that besides the fact that I consider ethics charges to be one of the worst a person can make against another person, including on something as "simple" or "insignificant" as a web forum, I am really not bothered.

See, I know I behaved ethically. I also know that some people don't like rules actually being enforced, so they may disagree with my enforcement but not my ethics. Either way, there is no "frenzy", no "furor", no "ire." The fact that no evidence of such "misconduct" is what allows me to rest easy over the issue, because it just plain didn't happen.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Ethics are mutable - no two people have the same ethics. DFK! violated Monte's ethics and Monte held him accountable for that act, and DFK!, you're holding Monte accountable according to YOUR ethics (and finding him cowardly), but the facts are, you're both projecting your ethics unreasonably on others.

Ethics aren't something you hold others accountable for - they're something we hold ourselves accountable for. Doing otherwise is stupid... 'cause my ethics told me so!

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This simply cannot be correct, otherwise how could a Congressman violate ethics rules of the House?

Congressional 'ethics' is a special case, 'cause congress as a whole decided procedurally what ethics they will follow.

Human kind has yet to decide on a specific set of ethics. Look up the word if you want to learn more.

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In time, this too shall pass.

I think you're describing morality Taskiss. Ethics itself isn't really mutable.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

"Ethics (also known as moral philosophy)" is the leading sentence at the link provided.

In the admittedly small sample of definitions of "ethics" I've looked up, "moral" and/or "morality" figured prominently in the description.

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Simple.. those are the ethics of that body, that it has agreed upon. They aren't the ethics of any other body. They also may not be the ethics of any particular member but if you want to be a member you have to put aside your ethics and act according to theirs.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Responding to posts from the first page...

Moo: Very well.

Taskiss: Sod off, ya daft git. I get it, you are a big fan of Mike. If he is run off after a single scathing post from me, then he should never have been a moderator in the first place, and maybe I should think about running people off for hire.

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My point is that society has many ethics standards that people are expected to live up to. It is considered unethical to knowingly sell a product to people that does not work, for one example. That's not something that is held within yourself as a standard for yourself, that is a standard society puts on us all. So I still consider your statement to be incorrect.

Oh, it certainly figures promptly, and they're often confused. Based on what amount of academic ethics I've had, combined with my personal understanding of the definitions, I'd say ethics is sort of a combination of "they study of morality" and "applied morality."

So the bigger mutability factors into the morals, not the ethics.

None of this is to say that I largely disagree with your original post about ethics and following them, merely that the connotation of what you said seemed to me to be more "morality" than "ethics."

No big.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Are you really British, or is that another example of your pretentious posturing??

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In time, this too shall pass.