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Could you provide a link to an example of this happening, please?

Oh look, Farther is back. He's like Batman, very enigmatic and very up to speed on this issue in a brief span of time.


There is only one BatMod.

And that BatMod is me.

No, you're more like Aquamod, you show up at awkward times and don't really bring much to the table.

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Wait what?

I was in the shower with your mom.


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I was in the shower with your mom.


That explains the fish smell.

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I think he's actually just referring to you having only been here a relatively short time.

And that you apparently caught on quickly.


And alluding to the idea that you might be someone who used to post here but just came back under a pseudonym.


It would seem that some folks read more into posts here than what is said. Monty is saying one thing, and others are saying something else. I don't know you all, so I don't know who is right and who is wrong. It seems to me that, to paraphrase something I see here somewhat regularly, "Link, or it didn't happen"; Monty could settle the issue for me about who is right. That's not really that deep.


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When DFK was a moderator, he had a huge double standard. I got in trouble for literally cutting and pasting an attack from another poster, and simply switching the names around. The other mods backed each other's hands, and then it became clear. The purpose for the moderation wasn't to moderate the board, it was to get rid of me.

Others have said as much while I was gone (Coro, I think?). The bias on that mod staff was extreme, and DFK was hands down the worse offender.
I was the one who said that the purpose of having moderators was to get rid of you. Nobody actually wanted moderators, and it shows if you look at how things played out. We quickly decided not to moderate Hellfire, created the nicer, more civil Heckfire, and then proceeded to not moderate that subforum either. I was unhappy with the decision to go to a mod staff at the time, because I felt it was two-faced and hypocritical. I thought that we at least owed you the dignity of telling you we didn't want you around and banning you, rather than the dog and pony show of having moderators. Now, after the fact, not only was it two-faced and hypocritical, the mods were colossal failures. We've had a steadily dwindling contingent of people who do nothing but hold up a status symbol.

That being said, if you think DFK was biased against you and was out to get you, well, that's sort of par for the course for your delusional posting style. DFK tried to defer every single mod action against you to one of the other mods so as not to bring any personal bias into the matter. When he personally took mod action against you, it was because the other mods had their thumbs up their butts. Out of our entire admin/mod staff, DFK easily had the most personal integrity. Like we did with Kaffis, we **** up when alienated DFK as a mod.

Finally, let's be clear about something. (This is not directed at you, Monty, but at the board at large). Monty was never banned from this incarnation of the Glade. Thirty days is not a ban. It's a suspension. That's the big, bad disciplinary action. A one month break from the board.

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It would seem that some folks read more into posts here than what is said.


Master of the understatement? :P


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When DFK was a moderator, he had a huge double standard. I got in trouble for literally cutting and pasting an attack from another poster, and simply switching the names around. The other mods backed each other's hands, and then it became clear. The purpose for the moderation wasn't to moderate the board, it was to get rid of me.


Then how the **** are you still here? We still have mods (mod), as we always have, and none of them ever banned you. Bery is the only person to ever be banned from this board. If that had been their goal, you'd think it would have happened, since they have the ability to do exactly that. Quit talking out your ***.

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I was the one who said that the purpose of having moderators was to get rid of you. Nobody actually wanted moderators, and it shows if you look at how things played out. We quickly decided not to moderate Hellfire, created the nicer, more civil Heckfire, and then proceeded to not moderate that subforum either. I was unhappy with the decision to go to a mod staff at the time, because I felt it was two-faced and hypocritical. I thought that we at least owed you the dignity of telling you we didn't want you around and banning you, rather than the dog and pony show of having moderators. Now, after the fact, not only was it two-faced and hypocritical, the mods were colossal failures. We've had a steadily dwindling contingent of people who do nothing but hold up a status symbol.


No, the real fact of the matter is that a large number of people did want moderators, were happy with the moderation, and weren't happy with the Hellfire/Heckfire split and the shitcanning of moderation for no apparent reason. What a lot of people want is a forum where people can be frank about the facts and point out when someone is wrong without having to go to excessive lengths to be nice about it (heckfire) but where you also can't simply sling **** around the board, insult everyone, refuse to listen or respond, turn every damn thread into your personal *****, and get away with it (hellfire). We had a nice happy medium going.

Not only that, but the fact was there had been no meaningful mdoeration for years, and rather than simply ban Monty, he was given a chance to see if he could play by the rules. Of course everyone thought that he couldn't, and he amply demonstrated that by trying to turn the rules into a weapon to silence people he didn't like. This had nothing to do with two-faced hypocrisy, it had to do with giving him a fair chance to prove himself even though it was painfully obvious that he wouldn't.

The mods weren't "colossal failures" until they were rendered irrelevant because Dash wasn't willing to simply tell people to shut the **** up; this is the way it's going to be.

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That being said, if you think DFK was biased against you and was out to get you, well, that's sort of par for the course for your delusional posting style. DFK tried to defer every single mod action against you to one of the other mods so as not to bring any personal bias into the matter. When he personally took mod action against you, it was because the other mods had their thumbs up their butts. Out of our entire admin/mod staff, DFK easily had the most personal integrity. Like we did with Kaffis, we **** up when alienated DFK as a mod.


Entirely agree with this part.

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Finally, let's be clear about something. (This is not directed at you, Monty, but at the board at large). Monty was never banned from this incarnation of the Glade. Thirty days is not a ban. It's a suspension. That's the big, bad disciplinary action. A one month break from the board.


While, true, this is simply a semantic nitpick. Temp ban = suspension. There's no meaningful difference.

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When DFK was a moderator, he had a huge double standard. I got in trouble for literally cutting and pasting an attack from another poster, and simply switching the names around. The other mods backed each other's hands, and then it became clear. The purpose for the moderation wasn't to moderate the board, it was to get rid of me.


Then how the **** are you still here? We still have mods (mod), as we always have, and none of them ever banned you. Bery is the only person to ever be banned from this board. If that had been their goal, you'd think it would have happened, since they have the ability to do exactly that. Quit talking out your ***.


Lex was banned also. He was allowed to come back after he apologized and got himself some help for his issues.

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Ah, yes. Lex. I had forgotten about Lex.

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A bunch of lies.


Could you provide a link to an example of this happening, please?


No, he cannot, because it didn't happen.

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In all seriousness people, can we at least change the title of the thread? Please? Its not very nice.

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I think he's actually just referring to you having only been here a relatively short time.

And that you apparently caught on quickly.


And alluding to the idea that you might be someone who used to post here but just came back under a pseudonym.

I wouldn't say "used to" exactly.

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I have to agree that there have been instances of Michael's actions as a mod I found questionable enough to bring up. Two specific come to mind. I do not agree whatsoever with him locking threads that he found the topics to be personally controversial. In one such thread, we were merely discussing something and there wasn't any animosity in the thread. Quite to the contrary, the discussion was absolutely constructive with all parties sharing their ideas and offering feedback. Yet the thread was locked. This happened again, recently.

I mean no disrespect to Micheal, but this is something that cannot be tolerated. The only time threads should be locked is when there are flagrant violations of the rules. And there are no rules established which define the scope of content which is acceptable to discuss, and that which is not. The only such rules that would be implicitly disallowed are ones which involve discussion of pending actions in direct violation to other rules, such as plotting to assassinate a fellow board member or sabotage the board.





Regardless, Monte, you are absolutely delusional regarding DFK. He gave you every fair opportunity to continue your discussion. It just so happens your manner of discussing topics includes flagrant violation of the board rules as the existed at the time, constructing your argument from various logical fallacies and being an ******* to all the rest of the board members in general. If his abuse of power is so flagrant and common, then cite a post. Of course, when someone explains to you why it's not you'll just scream that they have his back. But I find it hard to believe that every single poster here has a personal vendetta to be untruthful for the sake of inconveniencing you. If that's the case, then why the hell are you here? What do you hope to accomplish? The fact that you are still here is evidence to the contrary, that not everyone is backing DFK out of bias and that just maybe you are completely in the wrong. So far, no one in this thread has agreed with you regarding DFK as a moderator.

If there is anyone reprehensible in this community, it is you. I even recall you being slighted by Aizle not agreeing with you lockstep because, **** forbid he have his own opinion. And you informing him so in a not so pleasant manner which amounted to calling him a heel and coward that kowtowed to the "conservative board authoritarianism" or some other such nonsense.

The plain and clear fact of the matter is you do not care what other people have to say. It's been pointed out by numerous posters that you this extends to other parts of the board such as the P&P Gaming boards where it's clear you haven't read other poster's input because what you declare your action to be is inconsistent to what is unfolding in the game.

It is very **** clear you don't give a **** what other people have to say, you simply are waiting for your turn to talk. And why anyone would have this attitude on a discussion board is can only be you want to use it as a pedestal to tout your viewpoints by masquerading them (poorly at that) as legitimate points, rather than uncompromisable trite that you've preconceived to be correct.

And THAT is why everyone on this board despises you in general. It has nothing to do with you being some benign and righteous champion of Liberal Truth in a unlighted and dark world which has been defiled by supposed Conservative Corruption. It is because you are just a **** ******* to everyone when the reality that this board isn't some pedestal from you to spout your fountains of crap from hits you because other people, regardless of their orientation, have an opinion or thought contrary to your own.

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No, he cannot, because it didn't happen.


Doon't stop, beeeleeevin! Hold on to that fee-eee-lin'


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No, he cannot, because it didn't happen.


Doon't stop, beeeleeevin! Hold on to that fee-eee-lin'

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Are you going to link it, or keep pretending? No one is fooled by the snark.

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No, I'm not going to link it. I could have actual video of DFK holding a giant red shotgun to my head, and posting that video here would not change anyone's mind.

I know what he did. He knows what he did. He wasn't man enough to resign when he was a mod, he isn't man enough to cop to what he was doing now, and no matter how many instances I post, he won't cop to it in the future.

No matter the *actual* instance, if I post it, you and others will find a way to twist what was said and how it was said to support DFK. That's what the mods did when that all went down. That's what DFK did to accomplish his goal. It's what the mods on the board wanted at the time.

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Doon't stop, beeeleeevin! Hold on to that fee-eee-lin'


Thanks a **** lot. *goes to find a different song to get stuck in his head*

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No, I'm not going to link it. I could have actual video of DFK holding a giant red shotgun to my head, and posting that video here would not change anyone's mind.

I know what he did. He knows what he did. He wasn't man enough to resign when he was a mod, he isn't man enough to cop to what he was doing now, and no matter how many instances I post, he won't cop to it in the future.

No matter the *actual* instance, if I post it, you and others will find a way to twist what was said and how it was said to support DFK. That's what the mods did when that all went down. That's what DFK did to accomplish his goal. It's what the mods on the board wanted at the time.


Again, post it or STFU.

Furthermore, you are still here, so banning you was not a goal of the mods, then, now, or ever.

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No, I'm not going to link it. I could have actual video of DFK holding a giant red shotgun to my head, and posting that video here would not change anyone's mind.

I know what he did. He knows what he did. He wasn't man enough to resign when he was a mod, he isn't man enough to cop to what he was doing now, and no matter how many instances I post, he won't cop to it in the future.

No matter the *actual* instance, if I post it, you and others will find a way to twist what was said and how it was said to support DFK.


In other words, it doesn't exist. You know perfectly well that whatver incident you're thinking of, it's at best, not nearly that cut and dried and at worst, simply another example of you making up reasons why you're supposedly a victim.

This is failsauce, even for you. It's great though, keep it up; you're only confirming everyone's opinon... again.

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He wasn't man enough to resign when he was a mod...


Stop making things up. DFK! was removed of moderator privileges at his own request. Not my style, but he was the best moderator this board had ever seen and you didn't like that.


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No, I'm not going to link it. I could have actual video of DFK holding a giant red shotgun to my head, and posting that video here would not change anyone's mind.

I know what he did. He knows what he did. He wasn't man enough to resign when he was a mod, he isn't man enough to cop to what he was doing now, and no matter how many instances I post, he won't cop to it in the future.

No matter the *actual* instance, if I post it, you and others will find a way to twist what was said and how it was said to support DFK. That's what the mods did when that all went down. That's what DFK did to accomplish his goal. It's what the mods on the board wanted at the time.



Then your a liar(not that anyone shouldn't know that by now). Link it and let everyone decide for themselves.

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In other words, DE, I don't feel any need what so ever to convince you or anyone of what I experienced. I know what happened. I was there. I suffered the consequences of a hideously biased moderation staff. I tried to work within the rules, and was punished for it. I tried to do what I was told by the mods, and was punished for it. The intent was to be rid of me.

It worked for a while.

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No, I'm not going to link it. I could have actual video of DFK holding a giant red shotgun to my head, and posting that video here would not change anyone's mind.

I know what he did. He knows what he did. He wasn't man enough to resign when he was a mod, he isn't man enough to cop to what he was doing now, and no matter how many instances I post, he won't cop to it in the future.

No matter the *actual* instance, if I post it, you and others will find a way to twist what was said and how it was said to support DFK. That's what the mods did when that all went down. That's what DFK did to accomplish his goal. It's what the mods on the board wanted at the time.


edit no evidence found....

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