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/shrug Perhaps I am naive. But that kind of comes back to my original point, in that I think more victims should find a way to summon the courage to break the cycle. Find safehouses, go to those in positions of authority for protection, etc.
It may be wishful thinking, but it's something I would like to see happen.
You must have no experience with someone that has been abused. There are safe houses..are they used everytime they should be? No.
Are people killed by abusers because they didn't find the "courage" they needed to get out in time? Yes.
Does an abuser place psychological chains on the victim that doesn't allow them to find that "courage" you speak of? YES!!
Unbelievable..
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Expecting someone with no experience to understand the horror and dynamic of a truly abusive relationship is unreasonable.
AND, verbally abusing someone or threats of violence towards someone who doesn't understand abusive relationships seems to perpetuate abusive relationships. Think about it after your fists unclench.
What, you plan on beating them 'till they understand beating someone is wrong? Yeah, I can see the logic there, except for the fact that abusive personality behaviorisms are typically created in folks by abusing them. Your cure isn't.
Ending violent relationships puts victims in danger, and often leaves them wondering where to turn for help, experts say Published: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 5:50 AM Updated: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 6:04 AM Rachel Dissell, The Plain Dealer Tonya Hunter-Lyons was stabbed and killed in July. Her husband, Marice Lyons, is charged with killing her and dropping off her young son alone on a Cleveland street afterward. With Leila Atassi / Plain Dealer Reporter
No time is more perilous for a battered woman than the moment she tries to leave her abuser.
The departure marks the end of a controlling partner's dominion -- and can ignite a violent rampage, all too often with deadly consequences.
Tonya Hunter-Lyons and Shana Gardner-Carson are the latest examples. Both were educated, professional women in their 40s, who mustered the nerve to leave the men who had battered them. Both were killed in the process.
According to a U.S. Department of Justice study, homicide at the hands of an intimate partner is the leading cause of death among black women between the ages of 15 and 45 and the seventh leading cause of premature death for women overall.
That risk increases when a victim pursues a separation or divorce, files a criminal domestic violence charge, or simply moves out of the home, experts say. Yet within those critical timeframes, victims often have no idea whom they can turn to for protection, or whether they will be alerted when their abusers have been served protection orders or divorce papers, or are released from jail.
"These clients need the right combination of advocate, attorney and judge or they can find themselves in the wilderness," said Alexandria Ruden, an attorney with the Legal Aid Society of Cleveland who has specialized in domestic-abuse cases for more than 30 years. "At the very least, every person should have the right to the information that can help keep them safe."
Ruden knows. Fifteen of her clients have died over the decades because of domestic violence. Thousands of others have gotten out of abusive relationships safely because of careful planning to avoid the escalation of violence.
Shana Gardner-Carson was stabbed to death last week after filing for a divorce. Her husband Ramon Carson has been charged in her death. But her thoughts return to fatal cases -- like the two recently -- when she hears about yet another woman killed. She begins to question every aspect. Did the victim have a protection order? Did the police enforce it? Did she have an advocate? Did she choose to stay in the home or did she leave?
Sometimes there are clear missteps. Other times, Ruden wonders if anything at all could have stopped a person intent on killing.
Legal protections include criminal and civil orders
Abuse victims can seek court orders to keep abusers away through criminal or civil proceedings. In the absence of a criminal case, a victim can seek a domestic violence civil protection order from a domestic relations court, forcing the abuser to stay away from the victim or risk facing criminal penalties.
Last year, Cuyahoga County's Domestic Relations Court judges and magistrates heard 415 requests for special domestic-violence-related protection orders. They issued 282.
But the sheriff's office, which serves defendants with the orders, sometimes takes days to deliver them to the abusers. And the office does not alert victims when the accused abusers are served, said John O'Brien, spokesman for the sheriff's office. A victim is welcome to check the court's docket, but it can run up to seven days behind, he said.
Domestic Relations Magistrate Joan Pellegrin holds hearings on emergency and long-term protection orders daily.
She said she warns people that the protection order is a piece of paper -- albeit a powerful one, because violating it results in an arrest.
"But it's not a shield," she said, and she warns those in front of her that they must protect themselves.
"We do walk a fine line," she said. "We can tell them what they can do legally but not what they should do. We can lead them and assist them but only so far."
A judge must also balance the rights of the victim and the accused when relying on one-sided information to issue a protective order, Pellegrin said. "It is an enormous responsibility to take away someone's rights."
Larger caseloads, a victim on the run can slow efforts
Shaker Heights Municipal Judge K.J. Montgomery said a court is expected to remain a neutral party in criminal proceedings.
Previous Plain Dealer coverage Bedford Heights marriage counselor stabbed to death; husband arrested (July 26) Judge warned Tonya Hunter-Lyons to get out of bad marriage (July 31) Cleveland police accuse Ramon Carson of fatally stabbing his wife (Aug. 10) As long as the defendant is presumed innocent, the court should not notify a victim of changes in his or her case, such as when the defendant is released from jail on bond, Montgomery said. She and other judges in suburban municipal courts say that it's up to police officers in the arresting jurisdictions to warn victims when their abusers are set free.
Police in some suburbs work closely with victims to track the abusers' whereabouts and alert the victim when police plan to deliver protection orders.
Parma Municipal Judge Deanna O'Donnell described a 2009 Broadview Heights domestic-violence case in which the defendant threatened to kill his battered wife if she ever left him.
O'Donnell issued a protection order, and Broadview Heights police stationed surveillance outside the victim's home while an advocate scrambled the resources to help the woman remove her children from school and relocate to safety.
"I notified Broadview Heights police that there was a protection order against this man, and they just ran with it," O'Donnell said. "It made me feel good. I felt like I could sleep at night, knowing I wasn't going to get that 3 a.m. phone call that something horrible had happened to her."
But O'Donnell acknowledges that her Municipal Court's jurisdiction, eight Southwest suburbs, processes far fewer cases than Cleveland.
In the past two weeks, O'Donnell handled the court's entire domestic violence docket -- a total of five cases.
Cleveland police officers field about 20,000 domestic violence calls a year. And Cleveland Municipal Court judges have heard more than 600 domestic violence cases this year to date.
Protecting victims during their most vulnerable times becomes more difficult in the shadow of such massive caseloads, said Municipal Court Administrative and Presiding Judge Ronald Adrine, who created a specialized domestic-violence docket to route some cases into an educational program.
The municipal court clerk's office is assigned to notify victims when their abusers are released on bond, and advocates will follow up with phone calls, too, Adrine said.
But victims often move or change their phone numbers. They never get the warning, and they fall out of touch with advocates who could direct them to resources and help keep them safe.
Judge, others seek Family Justice Center
A committee assembled to investigate deaths related to domestic violence in Cuyahoga County discovered that in most of the 31 cases that ended in homicide in 2007, victims never sought help -- or perhaps, were unaware of how to find it.
The solution, Adrine says, might be in the creation of a Family Justice Center. The model, launched in San Diego in 2002, draws together under one roof a multitude of services to help victims protect themselves and their children from their abusers -- even to leave the relationship and start anew.
Dozens of the centers have cropped up across the country, offering a menu of services including medical attention, food and clothing; help finding safe housing options; and legal aid in filing for divorce.
Police are stationed at the centers to take criminal complaints against abusers, and advocates, police and counselors form teams to track the highest-risk cases. However, any victim, regardless of whether charges have been filed against his or her abuser, can take advantage of the services.
Adrine and a committee of others involved in the criminal justice system have led the movement in recent years to develop a center to serve Cuyahoga County.
Some in the Domestic Relations Court are uncomfortable with the idea of participating in a family justice center model.
"There is a question about fairness," Magistrate Pellegrin said. "Some in the civil court have differing opinions as to what the role of the court can be or should be in that process."
Development of a center could be under way as early as late spring, Adrine said. But progress depends entirely on the support of the new Cuyahoga County government that will be elected in the fall.
System is 'overwhelming,' abused wife says
In the meantime, connecting victims to the resources to protect them as they leave abusive relationships remains among the system's greatest challenges.
Recently, a woman in her 30s -- not unlike the two women recently killed -- waited her turn outside a Domestic Relations courtroom.
With her tall, willowy figure folded onto a wooden bench, she exhaled loudly and forced her shoulders back, prepared to ask a judge for a long-term protection order against her husband.
He was arrested last month after he attacked and tried to choke her, and he was set to be sentenced this same day.
She talks about going to the police station in her East Side suburb to ask for protection after the attack. At first she was told they didn't do protection orders and that she would have to go downtown. So she left.
"I felt this is why people get killed. They don't feel supported," she said.
But she knew she had to report the abuse. So she went back.
Her husband was arrested and she later returned home to find her bagged-up clothing had been destroyed. Then nobody called her when her husband was bailed out of jail.
"It made me angry. I was angry with the system. I was supposed to know."
But the woman said she was lucky enough to be hooked up with a legal advocate who helped her find Ruden, the lawyer who is helping her with her divorce and the protection order. She also joined a support group and enrolled in education classes that have helped her recognize signs and patterns of abuse.
Even so, she still is anxious about how her husband will react to the news that she is divorcing him and asking that he be forced to stay away from her and their daughter. --She's also unsure when he will even be served with papers.
"The whole thing," she said. "It's been overwhelming. Having to tell the stories over and over again. Having to look behind my back all of the time. I can see how women do give up.
"Knowing I had to be strong for my daughter and raise her safely and feel like I am protecting her keeps me going," she said.
In front of Judge Leslie Ann Celebrezze recently, the woman repeated some details of that June attack.
When wives are victims of violence at the hands of their husbands: Timothy Boehnlein Published: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 3:00 AM By Timothy Boehnlein
The recent tragic murder of Tonya Hunter-Lyons un derlines the complex dynamics of abusive relation ships. It is important to remember that these are very difficult dynamics to understand.
Shame, embarrassment and fear keep this issue hidden from many on the outside, who then speculate on what's happening on the inside.
When our community heard about Hunter-Lyons' predic ament, so many people made statements similar to, "Just leave! Get away from the jerk! Make better choices . . . ."
That included the judge who sentenced Hunter-Lyons' husband, Maurice Lyons, for domestic violence four months before the fatal attack.
"If you take this guy back, then it's on you, OK," retired Cleveland Municipal Court Judge C. Ellen Connally told Hunter-Lyons during sentencing.
Unfortunately, most people's first reaction when a person is harmed physically or psychologically by an intimate partner is, "Why doesn't the victim just leave?"
If it were that easy, we wouldn't have as many cases of domestic violence here in Cuyahoga County.
There are so many legitimate reasons why victims stay: love, hope, fear, isolation, commitment, religion, finances, embarrassment, fear of failure, shame. The list can go on.
There are also systemic barriers that make leaving difficult and dangerous. We do not know how many victims there might be in the community who are being harmed in ways that never meet the threshold of the Domestic Violence Statute of the Ohio Revised Code.
Emotional abuse (isolating you from family and friends), verbal abuse (name-calling) and financial abuse (taking your money) may be met with reluctance by the legal system because of the difficulties in enforcement, evidence collection and prosecution.
There are two more reasons victims stay that are never mentioned: manipulation and coercion by the offender.
Offenders use specific techniques to impair their victims' sense of self and to keep their victims off balance. They use techniques that are similar to "breaking" prisoners of war: They threaten to physically harm the victim, they threaten to hurt the victim's children or they threaten to physically harm themselves.
Our community needs to be reminded that domestic abuse is a choice by the offender.
An offender always has the CHOICE to not yell and scream, to not threaten, to not hit and to simply just walk away.
It is much easier for the abuser to leave the relationship if he or she is unhappy.
Abuse is not always physical -- and months or years of emotional and verbal abuse can occur before a relationship becomes physically abusive.
Leaving an abusive relationship is one option of many. A safety plan and a support system are critical. We offer safety planning assistance and support here at the Domestic Violence Center.
The good news is that victims of domestic violence do leave. They leave under two conditions: when they are ready to do so and when it is safe to do so. There are many survivors who have successfully left abusive relationships in Cuyahoga County. For people who are still being harmed in their relationships, our community needs to offer a supportive legal-system response and community resources that reassure victims that they are not alone.
Boehnlein is the associate director of the Domestic Violence Center of Greater Cleveland.
ARE YOU IN DANGER?
People wondering if they are in an abusive relationship can ask themselves a few questions:
• Do you find that not making your partner angry has become a major part of your life?
• Do you do what he/she wants you to do out of fear rather than what you want to do?
• Do you stay with him/her only because you fear he/she will hurt you if you leave or tell someone?
• Does your partner isolate you from many of the people or activities you care most about? • Does your partner use intimidation to make you do what he/she wants?
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/shrug Perhaps I am naive. But that kind of comes back to my original point, in that I think more victims should find a way to summon the courage to break the cycle. Find safehouses, go to those in positions of authority for protection, etc.
It may be wishful thinking, but it's something I would like to see happen.
You must have no experience with someone that has been abused. There are safe houses..are they used everytime they should be? No.
Are people killed by abusers because they didn't find the "courage" they needed to get out in time? Yes.
Does an abuser place psychological chains on the victim that doesn't allow them to find that "courage" you speak of? YES!!
The most dangerous time for an abuse victim is when they get up the courage to end the abuse.
If you put a frog into water and raise the temperature slowly enough, it will let you boil it to death.
One of the key tools in an abuser's playbook is isolation.
If you know someone who is being isolated or whose significant other tends to intimidate them, be extra mindful to try to offer them safe haven and human contact.
These are all fantastic points, especially the frog analogy.
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In pure reasoning his logic is sound. No one can be an abuser without a subject to abuse however if all of humanity was logical we wouldn't have much to talk about.
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