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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:14 am 
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Ah. so Asking others to argue with civility instead of act like rabid monkeys with a case of Turette's Syndrome = thin skinned?


When exactly have you done this? Selectively defending some people against some others is not asking others to argue with civility.

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Heck, most the time I do jump in its not because its aimed at me, but someone else. Standing between someone and their attacker != thin skinned


Yes, actually it is. Everyone here is an adult, and no one needs (or should need, at least) you to play white knight for them. Getting in an uproar because things aren't up to your standard of civility helps not in the least.

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But by all means, lets drag out everyone's historical posts and flay them for every little thing we don't approve of, particularly in their personal lives.


Back to the irrelevancy, I see. No one should be hounding you about supposed indiscretions with minors. The fact that they shouldn't does not somehow mean they also shouldn't cricticize you for your emotional posts and carrying on about your romantic life in ways that indicate you have atrocious judgement in that regard.

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Or simply complaining about some aspect of their lives they're not happy with.


We've been over this before, and not just with you. This is not the Emo Support Therapy forum. If you post about your personal life here, expect cricticism if you post about how you acted like a fool. Expect more if you start trying to defend being a fool, start bellyaching about being cricticized, or start with the "but you don't know ALL the facts so your cricticism is invalid!" defense when selectively posting some facts was your own idea in the first place.

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Shall I go to the Rants section? I'm sure we can pull out things we dont approve of for everyone.


Everything I said above applies to Rants too, and really to General. The rule is not "be supportive or shut up when someone is being an idiot and looking for approval of it."

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You mention your thyroid problem=Victim card.


You quote one time where I used my Thyroid problem as a victim card. I use it to illustrate points at times, especially my disdain for fat asses who don't want to exercise. I'm hardly a "victim" of anything; it's not anyone's fault that I ahve that condition.

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Someone is having problems finding a job=Victim card.


When that person is also doing stupid **** that causes them to not get a job....

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Someone not making enough money when their assumed net worth is > 95% of the Glade=Victim card.


Apparently you don't understand what "Victim Card" means. It doesn't mean any complaint; it means taking any sort of cricticism of your actions and portraying it as a personal attack because you didn't want to hear it.

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The point here is that None of those things are 'victim card' worthy, EVERYONE has something they're not happy with. And in this (highly warped, but still functioning) community, people sometimes air grievences. Some of us just don't feel the need to flay others for their problems, self-created or not.


Again, you don't seem to understand why people see you as a Victim Card player. It isn't jsut having things you're not happy with; it's the degree to which you cause your own problems, then blame them on others combined with expecting not to be cricticized.

You're hardly the only person here to do that, but you are the most prominent right now.

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The DIFFERENCE is that some of us don't feel the need to launch a crusade against individuals we disagree with politically by resorting to personal attacks.


Your idea of a personal attack leaves a great deal to be desired. You took my disagreement with your actions in one thread as some sort of "hatred for you." You need to seriously rethink how you define "personal attack" as well as the motivations you read into other people's comments.

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And before you say "Well thats what you did to Khross" I'll remind you that Khross used his personal 'plan to renounce citizenship' in hellfire, as an arguing point, and to sell a political theme.


So? What's your point? He was using a personal situation to explain a political point. Frankly I thought it was rather over-the-top, but hardly him claiming to be the victim of anyone else here.

Or did you just bring this up to try to deflect my attention onto Khross?

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And Khross has once again jumped to the wrong conclusion. Did I ever state that Rynar was the only person making the charges? Did I ever state that I was referring to PMs? Nice try again Khross, but I can dismiss Rynar just fine. It was PM's and messages across multiple forums, multiple PMS and multiple posters that warrented the post.

Just keep trying bro. You make enough guesses and you MIGHT come close to the truth. Not likely of course.

If I had wanted to get someone in trouble I would have started naming names. But I didn't I just asked that it stop.

And I DONT Lie. I don't fabricate.


Ah, so other people were sending you unsolicited PMs supposedly accusing you of being a child molestor, so for no apparent reason you sent one to Rynar?

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Oh yes... and false allegations of felonies are ok as long as someone sends you a message first? I'm sorry. I guess I missed that rule somewhere.


You do realize that, as long as you don't intentionally lie in court or to create the allegation, false allegations of feloines ARE perfectly ok, even in the legal system? That's what happens when someone is found not guilty; the allegation is understood to be false. That doesn't meant there was no good reason for it in the first place.

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Furthermore, libel is a crime.


Libel does not work when you created the reason for the allegation in the first place. If this had all just come up out of the blue, you might have a point.

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I don't see anybody persisting in accusing you of it, TheRiov. I see you being all offended that people made, what seems to be (by the concensus where all the geeks on this board came to the same conclusion) a reasonable assumption based on the words you chose.

Wrong assumption? Okay, fine. But don't get mad at us for making it to begin with, and it's kind of lame to pull the victim act because we did -- you brought it on yourself. Now that you've corrected our assumptions, that's fine. Move on. We have (except for the part where you continue to be mad at us for something that wasn't our fault) already.

If you're being harrassed in private, bring it to the moderators. Calling people out (even if not by name) in public and then refusing to disclose details is just more playing the victim for sympathy.

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I didn't mean the entire quote. I just meant "special hell". I'm surprised that wasn't used further in the past, like from Dante or something.


I could see that as well...but everything in pop culture points to the term "special hell" meaning a place for pedophiles.
Personally, I didn't associate the term with child molesters until this issue came up on the board.

And Shuyung, the title of your thread was pretty mean and immature. You weren't very nice about it and you could have handled it without being so harsh. It would have hurt my feelings for sure, and Micheal is a really nice guy who generally is very polite and respectful to everyone around here...you could have given him the same courtesy when pointing out his alleged mistake.


The last, very similar post when Mike moderated (and locked with a snarky comment) an argument he was part of didn't drive him off, and people didn't complain about that "moderation request" being made.

I'm sorry to see Mike leave, he's been a part of the community for a long time. I'm not sorry to see him stepping down as a mod. I wish he could have done one without the other.

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That I told Rynar that I'm not going to bother reporting his post? Nothing to deny. I did.
And I'm sure the moderators can confirm I didn't report his post.

If I'm not mistaken, you openly reported in this forum that you were accused of being a molester via PM without mentioning that you initiated the PM nor that you initiated the hostile exchange.

You're going to need to do better than that if you are seeking to avoid being labeled as a self-made victim. Seriously. I'm not considering anything other than that exchange, but had Rynar not mentioned what I consider to be very important information that changes the onus of responsibility, I'd have thought you were being victimized.

But you weren't. You started **** and got **** back.

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