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I just want to throw in that Hellfire is not under-utilized because of a lack of moderation. It is under-utilized because it is a cop-out forum for cowardly posters who want to post opinions without anyone being able to question them/call them out plus no one here seems willing and/or able to slip on kid gloves and treat controversial topics respectfully.


Do you mean Heckfire?

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GladeRebooted Posting Guidelines

To help foster a friendlier community, the Glade has adopted some guidelines for posting. Note that these are guidelines, and moderators have a lot of discretion on how they are enforced. This is because strict rules tend to inspire people to try to follow the letter of the law and ignore the spirit, and also get well-intentioned people making one-off innocent remarks banned. These guidelines are subject to change without notice.

Moderators
We have selected a number of Moderators to help keep the forums in line; what they say goes. When a Mod is acting in their capacity as a Moderator, they will indicate such by posting in a different color or font than usual. When they post in this manner, pay close attention to what they have to say.

Currently, the Moderation staff includes:
Dash (Administrator)
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Lenas (Global Moderator)
Micheal (Global Moderator)
Moobot (Oracle)


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If you believe a post is violating these rules, you can report by clicking on the Report Button Image which can be found in the lower right hand corner of each post. This report is entered into a system where all Mods can see and review it, eliminating the need to contact a Mod directly.

We strongly suggest you Report rule violations rather than respond to them, as responding may put you in violation of one of the Forum Rules.

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Warning, Suspending, Banning
Warnings can be given for serious violations of the rules of posting. Repeated warnings, or particularly egregious violations, can result in suspension or banning from specific subforums or even the entire message board.

Editing
Moderators will not normally remove any part of a post that violates these forum rules, however, in extreme cases, for particularly disruptive posts (spammers come to mind) we may delete or remove certain offending material.

Moving, Merging Threads
Sometimes threads get started in the wrong place; this is understandable. If we find one, though, we’ll shunt it off to the right forum.

Locking Threads
Some threads reach a point where they need to be locked. This may be because the thread has reached a point where it is violating so many rules that it can’t be recovered by other Mod actions, or because it’s a copy of another active thread. Re-starting a locked thread without permission is against the rules. Mods may also lock a thread in order to review its contents without having additional posts added, and then unlock it after resolving the situation. If the thread is unlocked by a Mod, you may post to it again.

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Specific things you cannot do on this message board:

* Tell a poster to shut up or to stop posting on the current thread.
* Name calling, including terms obviously meant in a pejorative sense.
* Use passive-aggressive insults, such as "Anyone who believes that is an idiot," or "I'd call you an idiot, but it's against the rules." Yeah, we know that technically, you didn't call him or her an idiot, but guess what? It's still not allowed.
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* Telling others what they can or cannot post here


There is some wiggle-room here. Merely suggesting that someone may not have the background knowledge to state an informed opinion may or may not be a personal attack, depending on how it is done. Suggesting that someone didn't read your post is different from suggesting that they are illiterate. Once again, these are guidelines. Use common sense and think about the spirit, rather than the letter of the law. If a post looks like its primary (or only) purpose is to cause strife, or is intended to "bait" flames, it can fall under this as well, at the discretion of the moderators.

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Spam
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They can still be found on page 45 of the general forums, about halfway down.

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Hopwin wrote:
I just want to throw in that Hellfire is not under-utilized because of a lack of moderation. It is under-utilized because it is a cop-out forum for cowardly posters who want to post opinions without anyone being able to question them/call them out plus no one here seems willing and/or able to slip on kid gloves and treat controversial topics respectfully.


I believe you meant to say Heckfire.

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It's tough because when there are is an actual ruleset around here it seems to be more fun to play lawyer and find the loopholes than it does to just learn to obey them.


But can't rules be written in a way that eliminates such loopholes?


Even the constitution is still being argued about... ;)

My point being is that there are a few people here who will see the rules as a challenge and spend all their time trying to work around them, find loopholes, argue about them, demand changes, etc.....I just think thats a headache for the moderators when it happens, but I could be wrong.

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Our old rules worked quite well, imo. They took a bit of tweaking at the start, but they fit the bill Farther was referring to- general enough to not easily get around, specific enough to give moderators a definite set of actions to target.

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Hopwin wrote:
I just want to throw in that Hellfire is not under-utilized because of a lack of moderation. It is under-utilized because it is a cop-out forum for cowardly posters who want to post opinions without anyone being able to question them/call them out plus no one here seems willing and/or able to slip on kid gloves and treat controversial topics respectfully.


Do you mean Heckfire?


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I just want to throw in that Hellfire is not under-utilized because of a lack of moderation. It is under-utilized because it is a cop-out forum for cowardly posters who want to post opinions without anyone being able to question them/call them out plus no one here seems willing and/or able to slip on kid gloves and treat controversial topics respectfully.


I believe you meant to say Heckfire.


I meant... umm... I just got out of the shower with your moms?

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And we get an example of precisely the kind of post I've been decrying. There's no evidence for any of the claims made in Montegue's most recent example of an attack on every contributing member of this community, yet ... it will go unnoticed. That's precisely the kind of behavior that needs moderating.


**** no it doesn't need moderating.

Just ignore it and move on.


The problem is, people don't do this. They pounce all over it and derail the thread into a cesspool. Lots of people do this. Hell, we even have board stalker that follows another poster around just to crap on him.


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I'm not disagreeing that it happens that way, Arathain...

Which is why I'm for mods actively splitting threads.

It doesn't need to be moderated, it's not against the rules in any fashion, it just needs to be prevented from derailing other, more civil, threads.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Hell, we even have board stalker that follows another poster around just to crap on him.


I disagree entirely with this characterization of Nitefox.

I cynically applaud your passive-aggressive unwillingness to use his name though. Just come out and say it.

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Now I'm a stalker?

*adds to his resume*

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Now I'm a stalker?

*adds to his resume*


You're hired! :D

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Now I'm a stalker?

*adds to his resume*


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ROFL!!!! Oh that's priceless!

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LadyKate wrote:
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Now I'm a stalker?

*adds to his resume*


You're hired! :D



Woo hoo!

Now to be sued for sexual harassment.

"Ms. Kate, would you step into my office. I need you to take...dictation"

Bowchicka wow wow...

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Ooooo...I know what I'm wearing when you get home!!

EDIT: oh yeah, on a completely unrelated note, did you find your reading glasses? I need to borrow them. For something.

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Pics or it isn't going to happen!

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DFK! wrote:
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Hell, we even have board stalker that follows another poster around just to crap on him.


I disagree entirely with this characterization of Nitefox.

I cynically applaud your passive-aggressive unwillingness to use his name though. Just come out and say it.


Oh, I don't have a problem naming him. I've said as much to him in the past. I figured it was obvious (and was to you, obviously). He's a friggin stalker.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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Hell, we even have board stalker that follows another poster around just to crap on him.


I disagree entirely with this characterization of Nitefox.

I cynically applaud your passive-aggressive unwillingness to use his name though. Just come out and say it.


Oh, I don't have a problem naming him. I've said as much to him in the past. I figured it was obvious (and was to you, obviously). He's a friggin stalker.


You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

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Pics or it isn't going to happen!


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See folks? That's how you lighten up a discussion!

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Thread took a turn for the better.


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That's the new moderator uniform? Yikes!


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Hell, we even have board stalker that follows another poster around just to crap on him.


I disagree entirely with this characterization of Nitefox.

I cynically applaud your passive-aggressive unwillingness to use his name though. Just come out and say it.


Oh, I don't have a problem naming him. I've said as much to him in the past. I figured it was obvious (and was to you, obviously). He's a friggin stalker.



I reject that claim outright! But your entitled to your opinion.

Now honey, hand me my telephoto lens camera.

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That's the new moderator uniform? Yikes!


Yup! Stathol is gonna look reeeeeeeaaaaaal good in one of these.

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Hopwin wrote:
I just want to throw in that Hellfire Heckfire is not under-utilized because of a lack of moderation. It is under-utilized because it is a cop-out forum for cowardly posters who want to post opinions without anyone being able to question them/call them out plus no one here seems willing and/or able to slip on kid gloves and treat controversial topics respectfully.

It's not used 'cause people that begin threads don't post them there, pure and simple. As far as their motivation, all you can speak to is your own.

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