The Glade 4.0

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

I had two super-nummy eggs this morning. I thought if you cooked correctly you didn't have to worry.

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I made an omelette for breakfast this morning. But my eggs are from Arizona.

Yeah cook em and wash your hands, all good. So far as I'm aware anyway.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

When I was in the cullinary arts program for CSN they made us take a Safety class that focused on food born illnesses. I did not eat for three days when we got into how many things can live through freezing and cooking, even when you heat things to the proper temperatures.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Well, viruses are small enough that microwave radiation "misses" them. Yet, if you stab someone with an icicle, and stick it in a microwave, the microwave will break down your DNA enough that anything you leave behind on the icicle can't be traced back to you.

So a commercial microwave is enough to get you acquitted for murder, but not enough to prevent the common cold.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

whaddahuh?

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“The person who tries to live alone will not succeed as a human being. His heart withers if it does not answer another heart. His mind shrinks away if he hears only the echoes of his own thoughts and finds no other inspiration.” - Pearl S. Buck

Coro wins todays award for randomness.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

I think if you stab someone with an icicle, putting it in the microwave would be a good way to dispose of the murder weapon...

You don't need to microwave the virus, just raise the temperature in the egg to 160 degrees.

http://askville.amazon.com/temperature- ... Id=1829676

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Wasn't that like a short story I read in high school? The lady killed her husband with a frozen leg of lamb and then cooked it for dinner so when the inspector came over he dined on the murder weapon?

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

This, but for me it was 2nd year micro in med school. Parasitic worms in fish. Enough said.

Also, the Infectious Disease guys said to aways cook your eggs well because of the risk of salmonella.

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Memento Vivere

I have local knowledge.
That sandbar was not there yesterday!

I read the same story LK.

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Memento Vivere

I have local knowledge.
That sandbar was not there yesterday!

That's because, for killing certain contaminants, the microwave does not actually work. Certain microscopic life is too small to be adversely affected by microwave radiation. Although it's worth noting that microwave radiation can raise the temperature of a piece of food above 160 degrees F.

But that was the point, in regards to Darksiege's comment. Heating your food above a certain temperature kills many contaminants, or at least kills enough of them to render the remaining concentration harmless, but some contaminants survive. Freezing is the same way, it kills some, but others will survive. I presented another method of food preparation that fails to kill certain food-borne contaminants, or at least it fails to kill enough to render them harmless. My understanding of viruses is that they are essentially little more than DNA chains. So here is a common food preparation tool that breaks DNA chains down enough to create reasonable doubt in a murder trial, but does not break them down enough to prevent flu infection should there happen to be a flu virus present in the taco meat that you're heating up in the microwave.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Careful, you'll make them ANGRY! =)

Not to split hairs, but the hippies claim you can use the microwave to kill viruses...

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/loa ... 15264.html

of course they are hippies so take that with a giant grain of salt...

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Not to split your split hairs, but those hippies said THE OVEN could kill viruses, not the microwave.

*grumbletalkinbadbouthippiesgrumble*

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Lets be clear here. Microwaves most strongly affect water molocules. Water @ boiling will kill MOST organisms and destroy most virii. This is why autoclaves are used for sterilization. (they combine steam+pressure)

I suspect in a microwave its the water doing the damage, not the microwaves.

I'm not sure I buy the argument that virii get 'missed' by microwave because they are too small--more likely, simply that the molecular bonds of DNA are strong enough to withstand the energy of a microwave interaction; else the DNA in our body would be mutated anytime we got close to a radient heat source --But boiling (high energy water molocules) 'impacting' dna strands would contain sufficient energy to shred the DNA strands.

speculation, and someone with a stronger background in chemistry should weigh in here-- but if H2O gets 'hit' by microwaves and excited then a Virii (which by comparison is several orders of magnitude larger) then the microwaves most certainly hit it too.

http://health.howstuffworks.com/medicine/modern/light-virus1.htm



I take that to mean that the average nuking of food is not sufficent to kill a virus. And, generally speaking, most people do not autoclave their leftover pizza.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

The difference is that they were attempting to microwave the virus directly, whereas when cooking food the goal is to raise the food temperature to 160 F so that the heat kills the virii. In this way the microwave is no different than a hot oven, range-top or fire pit.

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Can you find anything on that, Hop? I googled and saw a couple of things that said a virus will deactivate at 160 degrees and others that said 167-212 degrees, but none of them were reliable sources...just yahoo answers and stuff.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Does the Canadian version of the FDA count?
http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/fss ... .shtml#tab

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Yes, it counts, but it doesn't say anything about deactivating viruses with cooking temperatures. Only bacteria. The only mention of viruses is at the beginning when it says they can contaminate your food.
I'm looking for something that states specifically at what temperature a virus becomes deactivated...and is it universal or do different virii require different temperatures?

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Go re-read it, salmonella is specifically referenced

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Salmonella is a bacteria