The Glade 4.0

Yeah, I want Cash. I want Echo. I want my pets. It's like saying "well, your mom will be there, but it'll be a different mom. But she'll treat you like her own son." It's just...not right.

I fully expect to see Cash when I get to heaven. I don't really think there's an alternative to that, no matter what interpretations may say. *shrug*

Isn't this an appeal to consequences argument? It's unacceptable that pets not in heaven so they must?

Farsky has no responsibility to logically argue his stance. It's his personal belief, and he's not trying to tell anyone they should believe the same. There's no argument here.

^^ This.

That's why I posted it in Heckfire.
I just want to hear what others think, and share thoughts and explanations...not argue about it.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

No one was arguing at all Riov.

An argument is "a set of one or more meaningful declarative sentences".

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In time, this too shall pass.

Well now you're just arguing salmondicks.

Why, yes... yes I am.

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In time, this too shall pass.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just expressing my arguments!!

Does this apply to exes as well?

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I don't know. If you want to go completely off biblical doctrine, there is not a lot said on the concept. There will certainly be animals in New Jerusalem and even the "wild" animals are tame there. I'm disinclined to think so, as I don't think animals have a spirit that goes on after the failings of their mortal bodies.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

As a fan of HP Lovecraft and HR Giger... that statement has horrible, horrible nightmare inducing allusions.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Wait, so pets go to hell?

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

There's nothing that says your pet can't be present in heaven just because he doesn't have a soul (if he doesn't, which I really have no idea about). God can very easily return an animal to life any time He pleases. He could easily simply restore your pet to you in Heaven if it pleases Him and I don't see any reason it wouldn't,

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Well according to some I've been told that Hell is the absence of God's presence. Yet the bible clearly states that all creatures bow down to Him, so clearly ARE aware of His presence. Is their submission to God a choice? or do animals lack free will?

strangely... I feel quite like this about pets in heaven:

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Kaffis: Pets don't go to hell, they just apparently cease to exist when they die.



I like this explanation....it follows the bible, in that animals don't have souls and don't go to heaven....but that God could just re-create our pets after the rapture or whatever.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Kate, I was making a joke based off the last phrase of Lenas' post.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Mmmmmmm...tasty!

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"nothing like a little meow in bed at night" ~ Bruskey

"I gotta float my stick same as you" Hondo Lane

"Fill your hand you son of a *****!"

As i stated, "biblically," there is no support for this one way or the other. Even your pastor is stating his own opinion, as the question you asked is not directly answered in the bible. However, as to the question of "souls," the bible does refer to the souls of animals the same way it does people. (The bible also says the soul dies at death, so the entire concept of "having a soul" is inferred rather than directly in the bible.) The comforting answer is, "The bible doesn't say. I'm sure God has it all figured out."

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Do Angels have souls?

Is there a requirement that one has a soul to exist in heaven?

That depends a lot on what you mean by soul. The Bible goes into very little detail on angels, and their nature, nor does it explain terribly clearly exactly what Heaven is like or how it works. No one could really answer these questions definitively.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I guess my point goes like this.
Angels clearly exist in Heaven.
If humans are the only things with souls then Angels must not have them.
ergo, Angels must exist in Heaven without the souls, so theoretically other things could too.


Of course all arguments are moot in the face of 'ominpotence' the concept of an Abrahamic god who can simply unmake or change the rules, including His own makes such discussions useless.

Would heaven be heaven if you were walking on a street of gold and stepped in a pile of dog droppings?

Well as a general rule God follows His own rules for Himself because otherwise he would not be Who He Is, in much the same way that if you acted totally different you'd be a different person.

Your argument also makes the assumption that humans are the only beings with souls at all, when really the discussion realtes to earthly beings. It's also entirely possible that an Angel is a soul that has no physical body and never has, since they are not creatures of the universe. The concept of a soul may be sometihng only relevant at all to physical creatures. We really don't know. You could be correct.

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