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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:22 am 
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If you have not seen the video, be thankfull, I pray it was all faked, but somehow I doubt it. I really do not wish violence to most people but if they find this girl I am all for a good old fashioned lynch mob.

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The very title fills me with rage. I shall now take my leave of this thread, and do my best to completely forget its existence.


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Say what???

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I saw it initially on Yahoo, youtube has pulled all the links, but I am sure a simple google search will turn it up. It is a short <1minute video of a teenagish girl with a bucket of 6 crying puppies throwing them into a fast moving river one at a time, and seemingly enjoying herself.

Apparently the trolls at 4chan are doing something useful for once their existence and making it a community project to find out who she is.

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Oh man you guys are a week late. 4chan been all over this.

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This disgusts me. She should have been using kittens.

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This disgusts me. She should have been using kittens.


This made me laugh.

As a side point (not commenting on this particular case --haven't seen the video, and I don't endorse sadistic cruelty of any kind), but the rage over dog or cat killing always baffles me. Drowning, for instance, used to be an acceptable way of euthanizing unwanted kittens or puppies. Now it sends people into a ferocious foaming-at-the-mouth lynch mob frenzy. Where's the same rage over mouse killing? If you designed a "mousetrap" sized for a chijuajua and filmed it working, you'd see the same rage. What about people who go on a bug killing spree? Even when unnecessary cruelty is involved (and such things are extremely distasteful), you don't see the same lynch mobs going after boys with magnifying glasses on ant hills. Lower animals are lower animals. While dogs and cats are cute domesticated furry friends, I don't understand this assumption that gives them more rights than other creatures.

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Is that what happens when people masturbate? :(

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Talya wrote:
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This disgusts me. She should have been using kittens.


This made me laugh.

As a side point (not commenting on this particular case --haven't seen the video, and I don't endorse sadistic cruelty of any kind), but the rage over dog or cat killing always baffles me. Drowning, for instance, used to be an acceptable way of euthanizing unwanted kittens or puppies.


Yup, and burning at the stake used to be an acceptable way of disposing of unwanted witches.

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Lower animals are lower animals. While dogs and cats are cute domesticated furry friends, I don't understand this assumption that gives them more rights than other creatures.


Maybe some people just like them more?
Perhaps some people don't lump living things into two categories - human and other?
Might it be that dogs (and cats to some degree, I guess) have been an integral part of human life for millennia, performing duties that were, and still are, a necessary part of human life?
One might even suppose that it all comes down to anthropomorphism, and dogs and cats are easily subject to anthropomorphism.

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Yup, and burning at the stake used to be an acceptable way of disposing of unwanted witches.


Thing is, people still euthanize dogs and cats. Honestly, I'd prefer a river than having to pay tax money or however animal shelters are funded to get all lethal-injection fancy about it. I don't know, is shooting a sick dog Old Yeller style still acceptable?

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Maybe some people just like them more?
Perhaps some people don't lump living things into two categories - human and other?


I have a few categories:
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Non-human but cute/fascinating/pretty and worth observing for a few minutes.
Non-human and tasty.
Non-human and vermin to be killed immediately if encountered.

There may be more categories, and there may be some overlap. Fish can be fun to watch for a few minutes, but they are still tasty.


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Might it be that dogs (and cats to some degree, I guess) have been an integral part of human life for millennia, performing duties that were, and still are, a necessary part of human life?


Yes...but even after all those millenium, they still weren't protected like that in decades past. Drowning kittens on a farm was common practice even as much as 20-30 years ago.

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One might even suppose that it all comes down to anthropomorphism, and dogs and cats are easily subject to anthropomorphism.

Yeah, I suspect this is true. I have an issue with it (it's the underlying cause of groups like PETA -- assigning human characteristics or morality to animals), but it's probably correct.

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Talya wrote:
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Yup, and burning at the stake used to be an acceptable way of disposing of unwanted witches.


Thing is, people still euthanize dogs and cats.

Does that make people half right, or half wrong? :twisted:
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Honestly, I'd prefer a river than having to pay tax money or however animal shelters are funded to get all lethal-injection fancy about it. I don't know, is shooting a sick dog Old Yeller style still acceptable?


I'd prefer not to spend tax money on it too. I would think that the local ordinances against firing a gun near residences would make it problematic/illegal. If you're asking my personal opinion, then yes.

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Maybe some people just like them more?
Perhaps some people don't lump living things into two categories - human and other?


I have a few categories:
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Non-human but cute/fascinating/pretty and worth observing for a few minutes.
Non-human and tasty.
Non-human and vermin to be killed immediately if encountered.

That clarifies the "Lower animals are lower animals" comment, thanks.
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Might it be that dogs (and cats to some degree, I guess) have been an integral part of human life for millennia, performing duties that were, and still are, a necessary part of human life?


Yes...but even after all those millenium, they still weren't protected like that in decades past. Drowning kittens on a farm was common practice even as much as 20-30 years ago.


Kittens on farms still are.
If you mean protected by law, then it's obvious that Government has been creeping into our lives for decades, and that's one symptom. If you mean protected by people getting up in arms about videos of wanton cruelty...

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One might even suppose that it all comes down to anthropomorphism, and dogs and cats are easily subject to anthropomorphism.

Yeah, I suspect this is true. I have an issue with it, but it's probably correct.

I figure whatever animals little girls are drawing en masse, they're the ones most subject to anthropomorphism.

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I think its sad, but criminal? Maybe, maybe not...I think the anthropomorphism thing is truer than we might like to think.
It never ceases to amaze me how we have so many other causes worthy of people being outraged and taking action over that get ignored or put-off or just talked about and not done, but God forbid someone hurts a puppy or a kitten...people actually will DO something about it.
I've never quite understood that.

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I figure whatever animals little girls are drawing en masse, they're the ones most subject to anthropomorphism.


I initially read this as "whatever animals little girls are drowning en masse," which alarmed me.

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I think its sad, but criminal? Maybe, maybe not...I think the anthropomorphism thing is truer than we might like to think.
It never ceases to amaze me how we have so many other causes worthy of people being outraged and taking action over that get ignored or put-off or just talked about and not done, but God forbid someone hurts a puppy or a kitten...people actually will DO something about it.
I've never quite understood that.


Wow. This is very close to my point--and I didn't expect that of you.

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Talya wrote:
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I figure whatever animals little girls are drawing en masse, they're the ones most subject to anthropomorphism.


I initially read this as "whatever animals little girls are drowning en masse," which alarmed me.


Hahahah, why the alarm, you softy.

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I saw the video. It was disturbing to me, but I would find the killing of any small animal disturbing.

People (not here, on the Internet as a whole) are overreacting to this. Animals are killed all the time. Nothing makes puppies special because they're cute.


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Apparently the trolls at 4chan are doing something useful for once their existence and making it a community project to find out who she is.


I wouldn't call it "useful", but it's interesting how 4chan seems to be aligning itself with PETA. They helped identify that woman who threw the cat into the trash bin.


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Talya wrote:
LadyKate wrote:
I think its sad, but criminal? Maybe, maybe not...I think the anthropomorphism thing is truer than we might like to think.
It never ceases to amaze me how we have so many other causes worthy of people being outraged and taking action over that get ignored or put-off or just talked about and not done, but God forbid someone hurts a puppy or a kitten...people actually will DO something about it.
I've never quite understood that.


Wow. This is very close to my point--and I didn't expect that of you.


Yeah, I almost put "I think I agree with Talya" at the beginning of it but then I had a panic attack so I had to leave that part off... :D

I think my delving into the bible and talking with a pastor this past week about the place of animals and a few other things this past year has put the whole thing into perspective for me, personally.
Plus, I have several friends whose children have died of cancer and some who are dying of cancer right now and they are reaching out to the community desperately for prayers and emotional support while it all seems to fall on deaf ears....
I dunno. In the grand scheme of things, I just don't see how the whole world trying to find someone who drowned some puppies and "ZOMG put her in teh prison!" is an efficient use of energy and outrage that should be directed towards more worthy causes.

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If humanity could ever agree on a "worthy" cause, we would be in a much different place today.


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If humanity could ever agree on a "worthy" cause, we would be in a much different place today.

If humanity could even agree on what exactly are issues (let alone prioritizing them) we would be in a much better place today.

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I wouldn't call it "useful", but it's interesting how 4chan seems to be aligning itself with PETA. They helped identify that woman who threw the cat into the trash bin.


Yeah, except for the fact that PETA "rescues" animals, kills them and throws them in dumpsters.

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For me, I don't care so much that they are killing the puppies. It's too bad, but perhaps necessary. What I'm bother by is the excessively cruel way in which it's done.


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While I don't condone such behavior, since I love dogs....I would be more worried about the girl seemingly having fun while doing it. This would scream psych eval to me.

Could she not take them to a local humane society, or local vet? Perhaps give them away?

I don't much take fun in killing anything. To me, that's a sign of a disturbed being.....

note: I did not and will not watch said video


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I am disgusted by this. With all the people going hungry it's just unbelievable that she would waste food like that.


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