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Seriously, how likely is it that anyone's going to meet the stated qualifications with "0-1 years experience"? Is it just me or does this look like a case of wanting to buy 10-20 yrs of expertise for entry-level salary?

Also, I'm guessing that whole "ability to work effectively in a diverse workforce" is really important to them.

I really hate jobhunting

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A little FYI...the job description always sounds more daunting than the actual job, and employers are not expecting to get every single one of those things in a potential employee....just the candidate with the most of them.

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I would say a handful of the people that I knew in undergrad with degrees in CS could meet most of those requirements straight out of college.

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That job position doesn't exist in any sense that you should spend any great deal of effort applying for it ...

From the qualification list presented, it's merely an open posting to satisfy EOE guidelines while the company transitions their soon to graduate intern into a paid position.

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In related news:
First of all - "Counter Intelligence Agent"? Really? I think you've been watching too much Chuck.
Secondly, if you really need to list "at least 16 years of age" amongst all the other basic qualifications, I'm gonna go cry because there's no way I can compete with high school students in the salary requirements arena.

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See, that makes a lot of sense to me. As for having this skillset right out of college - must be a 4-yr degree thing (or my college just plain sucked ***) because I certainly wasn't prepared to meet all of those requirements when I finished my 2 years.

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In my experience, a lot of job postings are written by HR people who only have the slightest idea what they're actually requesting, and just put a list of words they've been told to look for in the posting.

I think I agree with Khross on this one. They already have the candidate, but they need to post it for EOE requirements anyway. So they tailor it to the person they're giving it to. You see that a lot in the hard sciences, like biology, since there's a lot of testing procedures that are specific to the company or institution doing them.

I think Khross is likely correct.

That said, since one of the first requirements is a Bachelors degree, would it even be a job you could apply for, excepting all the rest? I do think the extra prep from an associates degree to a bachelors degree is quite large most places, especially in the "out of classroom" job prep most programs offer.

Most of the 4 year CS programs I know really try to hit that kind of stuff hard with their graduates so they can transition to such positions... Internships every summer/most of the year, etc.

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For when the CIA just can't get the job done... I wonder if they really thought about that combination of words, and the double meaning of "counter".

Geek Squad was started here in Mpls, MN. It was HUGELY successful which is why Best Buy bought it up. And yes, they are Counter Intelligence Agents. You wear black slacks, white button down shirt and a black tie. Often you're in a company car (VW Beetle) that is black and white.

Part of the whole company culture is a huge geek spoof on secret agent man.

Someone in college is going to have a hard time coming up with a reason to have exp with Crystal Reports.

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Not really, since Oracle owns Crystal after the PeopleSoft by out, and it's bundled with even their academic editions of their database software ...

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Not to mention, Crystal Reports is used in a lot of higher ed-targetted database solutions. So if you do workstudy stuff with the IT department, or any of several other departments of the college that interface with the database, there's a not insignificant chance you'll be exposed to basic Crystal Reports use.

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I was a hiring manager in a very technical IT field for several years, and I can tell you with extreme confidence that job descriptions like that are very inaccurate. I won't go so far as to say it's intentional, but they are usually generic, especially with larger companies. They use a generic template that gets re-used and regurgitated for different types of positions. No one takes the time to draft a unique job description for every position available in a large company.

I know we used to have time set aside on an annual basis to go through the job descriptions for all of our positions, and make any adjustments. When we had time (rarely) we would review the actual posting and ask for changes if we were looking for a specific skill, but it almost never happens that a job description is written with great detail for a specific job.

It may be different with smaller companies, or for roles that are very unique, but otherwise, just try to read between the lines and figure out what the position entails, and decide if its something can, and want to do.. if so, apply...

Another note. Every single one of our job descriptions has something about Bachelors degrees (or in some cases, Masters degrees), but I can tell you that I personally, as the hiring manager, could care less if you have a college degree. Mainly because we were not hiring 'entry level' positions. We were far more interested in your body of actual work (experience), and how well you could function in our environment, get along with the rest of the team (in a professional sense) and support our customers.

After we narrowed down the field to a small handful of candidates, who were technically qualified, we would always do a 'team' interview, where we would bring in a few of the more senior engineers, and have a very informal, non scripted interview. The goal was to get the person to relax, and act like themselves... so we could see through the veneer of the "interview" face, and get a feel for what they would be like to work with on a day to day basis.

I also liked to be brutally honest with people about what the job was like, so people wouldn't be surprised or intimidated after the first week and how intense things could get (this was a senior support engineer team) when something ugly was going on with the customer network.

My personal feeling about hiring is, I don't want to have to do it very often. I would much rather make a few minor compromises on specific technical qualifications, if I know I'm going to get someone who is a hard worker, is a good team member, and will be around for a while. I'd much rather spend a few extra weeks or months getting someone up to speed on specific technologies, and have them be happy, comfortable and wanting to stay for a while, than hold out for that ideal candidate who has the exact technical qualifications on his or her resume, but doesn't feel challenged, or is otherwise not going to be happy with the work assignments, and ends up leaving after 6 months or a year.

Nope. And I wasn't intending to apply for the job. Whether or not *I* could apply for the job has nothing to do with why I posted it here.

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Ah, your comments after that seemed like it was something you wanted to apply for.

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Depending on the school... fairly likely



No.

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Darksiege
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As a point of order, the FBI does counterintelligence, not the CIA, except in regard to the CIA's own activities.

Still, I'm fairly sure the Geek Squad doesn't do counterintelligence either.

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I'm pretty sure almost every company in the world wants to hire someone with 20 years of expertise for an entry level salary, if they can.

I see it the same way the others see it... as a way to cater a new position for someone who is already in the company. But we were not asked for our reasons. I just kept it simple.

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Darksiege
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I think the difference between "counterintelligence" and "Counter Intelligence" could be significant. Perhaps it involves and actual table consisting of a horizontal surface over which business is transacted!

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Ding Ding! Colphax has it! I think if you're GS-CIA you have to know how to nod your head at a customer on the other side of the counter and try to understand what they're saying about their pron pop-ups without either 1) laughing in their face; or B) killing them.

QFT.

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