The Glade 4.0

Monte, you are one of the most racist persons on this board; you make every conversation conerstoned around race rather than the germane material of the discussion of relevant aspecs of a persons personality.

It's always discussion about superficial traits with you. Why does Oama's race gets brought up so often?

The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.

Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.

With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"

Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event."

Unfortunately for Ford, the General Accounting Office concluded that the Bush administration had not acted improperly. "The speech itself and the use of the department's funds to support it, including the cost of the production contract, appear to be legal," the GAO wrote in a letter to Chairman Ford. "The speech also does not appear to have violated the restrictions on the use of appropriations for publicity and propaganda."

That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. -- while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters."

Lost in all the denouncing and investigating was the fact that Bush's speech itself, like Obama's today, was entirely unremarkable. "Block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart," the president told students. "If someone goofs off today, are they cool? Are they still cool years from now, when they're stuck in a dead end job. Don't let peer pressure stand between you and your dreams.

That's just projection, though. A person doesn't like to have something unattractive about themselves pointed out, so they take it and place it on the shoulders of the person doing the pointing.

Rush Limbaugh is a racist. So is Glenn Beck, Micheal Savage, and several other very popular right wing leaders. They have millions of fans, including people on this board, that cheer on what they say, and continue to tune into their radio programs for more red meat.

The Republican party has had a racist electoral strategy since goldwater. They use racial divisiveness to gain votes. And yet, people here are proud to be republicans, proud to vote republican, proud to support some of the most repugnant republican politicians we have seen since Nixon, and if you call them on what they support, then you're a racist.

Wow, a conservative called me racist. Gee, that's a shocker. Then again, the only thing that counts as racism to the conservatives on the board is Affirmative Action.

That's just projection, though. A person doesn't like to have something unattractive about themselves pointed out, so they take it and place it on the shoulders of the person doing the pointing.

Rush Limbaugh is a racist. So is Glenn Beck, Micheal Savage, and several other very popular right wing leaders. They have millions of fans, including people on this board, that cheer on what they say, and continue to tune into their radio programs for more red meat.

The Republican party has had a racist electoral strategy since goldwater. They use racial divisiveness to gain votes. And yet, people here are proud to be republicans, proud to vote republican, proud to support some of the most repugnant republican politicians we have seen since Nixon, and if you call them on what they support, then you're a racist.

It's the rubber/glue defense.

The Republican party has had a racist electoral strategy since goldwater. They use racial divisiveness to gain votes. And yet, people here are proud to be republicans, proud to vote republican, proud to support some of the most repugnant republican politicians we have seen since Nixon, and if you call them on what they support, then you're a racist.

Rush Limbaugh is a racist. So is Glenn Beck, Micheal Savage, and several other very popular right wing leaders. They have millions of fans, including people on this board, that cheer on what they say, and continue to tune into their radio programs for more red meat.

I also want Montegue to list every racist person on this board.

Wow, a conservative called me racist. Gee, that's a shocker. Then again, the only thing that counts as racism to the conservatives on the board is Affirmative Action.

That's just projection, though. A person doesn't like to have something unattractive about themselves pointed out, so they take it and place it on the shoulders of the person doing the pointing.

Rush Limbaugh is a racist. So is Glenn Beck, Micheal Savage, and several other very popular right wing leaders. They have millions of fans, including people on this board, that cheer on what they say, and continue to tune into their radio programs for more red meat.

The Republican party has had a racist electoral strategy since goldwater. They use racial divisiveness to gain votes. And yet, people here are proud to be republicans, proud to vote republican, proud to support some of the most repugnant republican politicians we have seen since Nixon, and if you call them on what they support, then you're a racist.

It's the rubber/glue defense.

I also want Montegue to list every racist person on this board.

Ok, I'll say it. Hellfire was civil until Monty came back. It's incontrovertible.

It's not the difference in opinion between posters- we have that. This isn't an echo chamber. From the start he began with an ad hom against DFK. Put down the foot folks.

I refuse to let the "oh he's the victim because you are ganging up on him" bs excuse fly.

To be fair, aside from Monty there are maybe 2-3 liberal posters who ever come to Hellfire. It's easy to be civil when everyone is of a similar mindset.

That said, while I can sympathise with some of what I believe that Monty is trying to relay, I find myself more and more wishing he wasn't on "my side".

To be fair, aside from Monty there are maybe 2-3 liberal posters who ever come to Hellfire. It's easy to be civil when everyone is of a similar mindset.

That said, while I can sympathise with some of what I believe that Monty is trying to relay, I find myself more and more wishing he wasn't on "my side".

It's easy to be civil when everyone just accepts your crazyness without questioning it. For example, reacting with crazed paranoia about indoctrination and the horrors of a presidential speech on personal responsibility is crazy and stupid. That's not a dishonest attack, it's an observation.

When you have the kind of echo chamber that nods sagely at such stupidity and slaps you on the back for it, of course things are going to be civil.

What you don't like, what you have never, ever been able to handle, is someone willing to call your bullshit for what it is. It is not now nor has it ever been about civility. The right is incapable of civility anymore. Hate and vitriol are *moderate* for the right now. Moderate.

You have double standards for a man that you refuse to apply to his conservative predecessors. Reagan, Bush, and Bush Sr all had *significantly* more politically charged speeches for school kids, and we never once *ever* heard a peep out of you guys.

But god forbid Obama talk about personal responsibility. It's a horror!!!! How dare he speak to our children! OMG THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!

This argument you guys are making about not wanting any politics in your schools are so transparent as to be freshly cleaned glass. How many of you would be pissed at a liberal that complained about a high school coach praying before a game? Oh, but that's not indoctrination. No sir.

How many you are up in arms about the way a very specific right wing evangelical Christianity has taken over our military? Not a one. That's not indoctrination, that's *liberty*!

If you guys would just *once* apply the same standards to your own team as you do to anyone currently in office, you might have a leg to stand on. Khross might be the only one who comes anywhere near that, however, I still believe he has huge blinders on about Obama.

Remember when we were at war, and it was a damn sin to criticize the President or his policies? How it sent "mixed messages" to the troops? What the hell happened to *that* standard for the right?

Gone, out the window with the election of someone they disagreed with.

You have double standards for a man that you refuse to apply to his conservative predecessors. Reagan, Bush, and Bush Sr all had *significantly* more politically charged speeches for school kids, and we never once *ever* heard a peep out of you guys.

But god forbid Obama talk about personal responsibility. It's a horror!!!! How dare he speak to our children! OMG THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!

This argument you guys are making about not wanting any politics in your schools are so transparent as to be freshly cleaned glass. How many of you would be pissed at a liberal that complained about a high school coach praying before a game? Oh, but that's not indoctrination. No sir.

If you guys would just *once* apply the same standards to your own team as you do to anyone currently in office, you might have a leg to stand on. Khross might be the only one who comes anywhere near that, however, I still believe he has huge blinders on about Obama.

Remember when we were at war, and it was a damn sin to criticize the President or his policies? How it sent "mixed messages" to the troops? What the hell happened to *that* standard for the right?