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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:34 pm 
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So after stationing 1200 national guard (400 per shift over a 2,000 mile border) for less than a month and the border is now secure. We can all rest easier.

http://azstarnet.com/article_4954de05-e ... 9ba44.html

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DHS chief: SW border is largely controlled

WASHINGTON - Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Monday that an unprecedented amount of manpower and technology has largely secured the Southwest border and clears the way for Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform.
Napolitano said the Obama administration has met every benchmark set by Congress on border security and called on lawmakers to "quit moving the goal posts."
"We need Congress to fix our broken immigration system," Napolitano told the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute public-policy conference.
Napolitano is one of six Cabinet secretaries to address the two-day conference, which is being held during Hispanic Heritage Month.
In addition to immigration reform, Obama administration officials, lawmakers and experts will discuss policy initiatives dealing with the economy, education, financial services, health care and international relations.
Napolitano said the administration has reduced a yearlong backlog for legal immigrants applying for visas and citizenship, and has stepped up enforcement of laws against employers who hire and exploit illegal workers.
The president also has sent 1,200 National Guardsmen to the border until additional Border Patrol and customs agents are hired and trained to bolster security along the 2,000-mile border with Mexico.
Napolitano said it is important that the American people know the administration takes law enforcement seriously.
She said the Obama administration has provided an unprecedented amount of manpower and technology along the border to stanch illegal immigration and better secure U.S. border communities as violence increases in northern Mexico.
Napolitano said the United States is working with the Mexican government to stop the flow of contraband carried north by immigrants, as well as guns and bulk cash going south to drug-smuggling cartels.
She said the border "is as secure as it has ever been," and Congress should now pass and implement meaningful immigration reform.
Napolitano said it is now time for lawmakers in both major political parties to negotiate not just a bill, but a fair and just system that addresses the 11 million immigrants in this country illegally, offering them a chance for earned citizenship.
President Obama has called on Congress to pass immigration-reform legislation, but he has acknowledged that he lacks the votes to get the contentious bill through the Senate, where it died for lack of action in 2007.
Beto Cardenas, a Houston immigration lawyer, told the conference "the blame goes everywhere" in Congress for failure to pass a bill.
Cardenas noted that Democrats have controlled the House, the Senate and the White House for two years.
"What's missing is moving toward the middle," said Cardenas, who suggested Congress pass immigration measures that are less contentious before tackling citizenship for illegal immigrants.
Groups that seek tighter limits on immigration, such as the Federation for American Immigration Reform, contend the Obama administration is weakening immigration policy.
FAIR has accused the Department of Homeland Security of suspending worksite enforcement and weakening the 287(g) program that partners local law enforcement officers with agents of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which helped deport 35,000 illegal immigrants over the past two years.
But Napolitano said the administration has prioritized enforcement to provide public safety, moving to first deport illegal immigrants with criminal backgrounds and prosecuting unscrupulous employers.
Hispanic and immigrant-rights groups, meanwhile, have complained that the Obama administration's focus on border enforcement and continued worksite raids unfairly targets the minority community.

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I don't doubt that there are unprecedented levels of manpower and technology on the border, nor do I doubt it's "as secure as it ever has been". I also agree with her statement that Congress needs to fix the problem.

The rest of it, including the implication that the border is actually reasonably secure, I have a problem with.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:42 pm 
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From what my Minutemen pals are telling me, these National Guard troops are basically getting stationed on the border in populous areas where there are plenty of paved roads and existing walls. So basically they're in places that are highly visible to the media yet completely irrelevant because 1) no IA's cross there anyway and 2) those areas have no BP agents actively patrolling because of 1 and there's tons of cameras there anyway.

So it appears mostly for show and it's not freeing up enough BP resources to have an effective impact.

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I'm rather curious how the border can ever be secured in this manner when all we can do is just deport the illegals we do catch. Even if the border patrol can catch 90% of illegals crossing, that just means they need to try ten times before they get in. I'm pretty sure most are willing to do that, remember a few weeks ago I think it was 65 illegal immigrants all got shot because they were willing to defy the drug cartels to cross the border.


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Xequecal wrote:
I'm rather curious how the border can ever be secured in this manner when all we can do is just deport the illegals we do catch. Even if the border patrol can catch 90% of illegals crossing, that just means they need to try ten times before they get in. I'm pretty sure most are willing to do that, remember a few weeks ago I think it was 65 illegal immigrants all got shot because they were willing to defy the drug cartels to cross the border.


If it's ten times, you just keep jacking that up to fifteen, twenty, or thirty times. "Secure" doesn't have to mean absolute perfect security, just secure to the point that for most illegals it isn't worth the effort. That point does exist, it just has to be found.

"As secure as it has ever been" is hilarious. In other words, it isn't secure at all, but we're going to make a meaningless comparison in order to push the "immigration reform" free ride for Mexico to keep shoving its surplus population off on us and claim that it must really be about racism since the border is "Secure".

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Xequecal wrote:
I'm rather curious how the border can ever be secured in this manner when all we can do is just deport the illegals we do catch. Even if the border patrol can catch 90% of illegals crossing, that just means they need to try ten times before they get in. I'm pretty sure most are willing to do that, remember a few weeks ago I think it was 65 illegal immigrants all got shot because they were willing to defy the drug cartels to cross the border.

And when their 5th or 6th try almost gets them killed due to drug cartel shenanigans or flat-out getting left behind by the coyotes, you can bet most will decide it isn't worth it at all.

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Well if the border is "secure" then there should be next to no illegal immigrant, or drug traffic from Mexico, and all those "assault weapons" from the US should be getting found as well!

Oh maybe O-Dawg forgot about those justification that were used...

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