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http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/28/dont-know-much-about-religion-youre-not-alone-study-finds/" wrote:

Don't know much about religion? You're not alone, study finds

Odds are that you know Mother Teresa was Catholic, but what religion is the Dalai Lama?

How about Maimonides?

And - no Googling - what's the first book of the Bible? How about the first four books of the New Testament?

Americans who can answer all of those questions are relatively rare, a huge new study has found.

In fact, although the United States is one of the most religious developed countries in the world, most Americans scored 50 percent or less on a quiz measuring knowledge of the Bible, world religions and what the Constitution says about religion in public life.

The survey is full of surprising findings.

For example, it's not evangelicals or Catholics who did best - it's atheists and agnostics.

It's not Bible-belt Southerners who scored highest - they came at the bottom.

Those who believe the Bible is the literal word of God did slightly worse than average, while those who say it is not the word of God scored slightly better.

Barely half of all Catholics know that when they take communion, the bread and wine literally become the body and blood of Christ, according to Catholic doctrine.

And only about one in three know that a public school teacher is allowed to teach a comparative religion class - although nine out of 10 know that teacher isn't allowed by the Supreme Court to lead a class in prayer.

The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life is behind the 32-question quiz, polling more than 3,400 Americans by telephone to gauge the depth of the country's religious knowledge.

Read CNN Belief Blog contributor and Pew adviser Stephen Prothero's take on the survey

"When it comes to religion, there are a lot of things that Americans are unfamiliar with. That's the main takeaway," says Greg Smith, a senior researcher at the think tank and one of the main authors of the survey.

Smith has a theory about why atheists did so well on the quiz - they have thought more about religion than most people.

"Very few people say that they were raised as atheists and agnostics," he explains.

About three out of four were raised as Christians, he says.

"They were raised in a faith and have made a decision to identify themselves with groups that tend to be fairly unpopular," atheists and agnostics, he says.

"That decision presupposes having given some thought to these things," which is strongly linked with religious knowledge, he says.

The single strongest factor predicting how well a person does on the religious knowledge quiz is education - the more years of schooling a person has, the more they are likely to know about religion, regardless of how religious they consider themselves to be, Pew found.

"The No. 1 predictor without question is simply educational attainment," Smith said.

The think tank also asked a handful of general knowledge questions - such as who wrote "Moby-Dick" and who's the vice president of the United States - and found a link between religious knowledge and general knowledge.

Very few people scored high on religion questions and badly on general knowledge, or vice versa.

People who were members of religious youth groups also did well, he said.

"Religious education is an important factor that helps to explain knowledge - people who participated in youth groups get an average of two extra questions right," he said.

Jews and Mormons were close behind atheists and agnostics as the group who did best overall on the religion questions, and white evangelical Protestants also tended to get more than half right.

White Catholics averaged exactly half right, followed by mainline Protestants and people who said they were "nothing in particular," both of whom got just under half right.

Black Protestants got just over a third of the questions right, and Hispanic Catholics just under a third, the Pew Forum found.

The survey was inspired partly by CNN Belief Blog contributor Stephen Prothero's 2007 book, "Religious Literacy: What Every American Needs to Know - And Doesn't."

Because the Pew Forum couldn't find any indication that such a survey has ever been done before, it can't say if Americans today know more or less about religion now than they did in the past.

And the organization doesn't claim too much for its 32 questions.

They "are intended to be representative of a body of important knowledge about religion; they are not meant to be a list of the most essential facts," the Pew Forum says.

Only eight of the 3,412 survey respondents got all 32 questions right. Six got them all wrong.


I find this amusing. I assume this is the link to the site though looks like the site itself is down or slammed:
http://religions.pewforum.org/reports


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A new survey of Americans' knowledge of religion found that atheists, agnostics, Jews and Mormons outperformed Protestants and Roman Catholics in answering questions about major religions, while many respondents could not correctly give the most basic tenets of their own faiths.

Forty-five percent of Roman Catholics who participated in the study didn't know that, according to church teaching, the bread and wine used in Holy Communion is not just a symbol, but becomes the body and blood of Christ.

More than half of Protestants could not identify Martin Luther as the person who inspired the Protestant Reformation. And about four in 10 Jews did not know that Maimonides, one of the greatest rabbis and intellectuals in history, was Jewish.

The survey released Tuesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life aimed to test a broad range of religious knowledge, including understanding of the Bible, core teachings of different faiths and major figures in religious history. The U.S. is one of the most religious countries in the developed world, especially compared to largely secular Western Europe, but faith leaders and educators have long lamented that Americans still know relatively little about religion.

Respondents to the survey were asked 32 questions with a range of difficulty, including whether they could name the Islamic holy book and the first book of the Bible, or say what century the Mormon religion was founded. On average, participants in the survey answered correctly overall for half of the survey questions.

Atheists and agnostics scored highest, with an average of 21 correct answers, while Jews and Mormons followed with about 20 accurate responses. Protestants overall averaged 16 correct answers, while Catholics followed with a score of about 15.

Not surprisingly, those who said they attended worship at least once a week and considered religion important in their lives often performed better on the overall survey. However, level of education was the best predictor of religious knowledge. The top-performing groups on the survey still came out ahead even when controlling for how much schooling they had completed.

On questions about Christianity, Mormons scored the highest, with an average of about eight correct answers out of 12, followed by white evangelicals, with an average of just over seven correct answers. Jews, along with atheists and agnostics, knew the most about other faiths, such as Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Judaism. Less than half of Americans know that the Dalai Lama is Buddhist, and less than four in 10 know that Vishnu and Shiva are part of Hinduism.

The study also found that many Americans don't understand constitutional restrictions on religion in public schools. While a majority know that public school teachers cannot lead classes in prayer, less than a quarter know that the U.S. Supreme Court has clearly stated that teachers can read from the Bible as an example of literature.

"Many Americans think the constitutional restrictions on religion in public schools are tighter than they really are," Pew researchers wrote.

The survey of 3,412 people, conducted between May and June of this year, had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points, while the margins of error for individual religious groups was higher.


I wouldn't be surprised to learn that while Atheists score the highest across the entire test, on questions specific to any given religion, its own participants will score highest in their particular religion.

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I wouldn't be surprised to learn that while Atheists score the highest across the entire test, on questions specific to any given religion, its own participants will score highest in their particular religion.


You'd be wrong. I'm non-religious for instance, but I know more about your bible and your religion than you do. (That's a general "you" that applies to just about anybody, including most clergy, who just make **** up as they go along. They're in good company, though. That's how all these religions started in the first place.) :P

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I'm non-religious for instance, but I know more about your bible and your religion than you do.


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I'm non-religious for instance, but I know more about your bible and your religion than you do.


Well, mind your business!


It comes because most religious people have never searched for anything. They were either born into their religion, or "found Jesus" and suddenly accepted it without a whole lot of research. There are exceptions, but generally, those who do any real searching, search a long time without finding much. They end up learning a whole lot about religions in the process.

Meanwhile, an average Catholic (just as a representative example) can be summed up by a French man that I work with. René said yesterday, "I'm not religious. I'm Catholic." He's Catholic because his family is Catholic and uses pseudo-religious epithets.

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I wouldn't be surprised to learn that while Atheists score the highest across the entire test, on questions specific to any given religion, its own participants will score highest in their particular religion.


You'd be wrong. I'm non-religious for instance, but I know more about your bible and your religion than you do. (That's a general "you" that applies to just about anybody, including most clergy, who just make **** up as they go along. They're in good company, though. That's how all these religions started in the first place.) :P


No you don't. Your religious knowledge is pretty good, but nowhere near as good as you claim. You are certainly nowhere near the level of educated clergy. If you're talking about clergy that have no qualifications other than being overweight and able to yell "JEEEEEZUS!" while sweating profusely, then maybe... a big maybe.

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The full survey with detailed responses can be found here:

http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report-religious-landscape-study-topline.pdf

Haven't read enough yet to draw any conclusions about the article's summation, but I did find one thing interesting. "Mainline churches", "other Christians", and those not religiously affiliated have almost identical opinions with respect to whether the government needs to be more involved or less involved in issues of morality.

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I wouldn't be surprised to learn that while Atheists score the highest across the entire test, on questions specific to any given religion, its own participants will score highest in their particular religion.

Yeah, I was kind of thinking the same thing, although I've found that most people, regardless of religious affiliation, are appallingly ignorant about religion, including those important to them. That said, from my anecdotal experience, I'm not at all surprised if self-identified "evangelicals" do poorly on any test of knowledge about other religions. Mostly it's just an attitude that those other religions are wrong, and therefore I don't need to know about them, but you also sometimes run into the stronger version of: these other religions are wrong, and I shouldn't know about them, because if I study them I might catch the Wicca, or whatever.

Mind you, that's not been my experience with most Christians, nor all self-identifying "evangelicals", but It's definitely out there enough to be aggravating to me.

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I've found that most people, ... are appallingly ignorant

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Incidentally, if you find this sort of thing interesting, you might find this to be very interesting reading:

Unchristian: What a New Generation Really Thinks About Christianity .. and Why It Matters

It's a relatively short book, based fairly largely on analysis of Pew Forum on Religious and Public Life survey results, with some additional perspective based on age demographics. It's pretty revealing, and you may find that it undermines a lot of your assumptions about what both Christians and non-Christians actually think.

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I've found that most people, ... are appallingly ignorant


I wasn't aware of that.

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I'm Stathol, and I approve this message :P

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Mmmm...Classy!

It's hard for text to convey, but that should have been read with short, high-energy, breathy voice, and hand flourishes.


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It's hard for text to convey, but that should have been read with short, high-energy, breathy voice, and hand flourishes.

Oddly enough, I did imagine you saying that with jazz hands.

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LOL, why?


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The full survey with detailed responses can be found here:

http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report-religious-landscape-study-topline.pdf

Haven't read enough yet to draw any conclusions about the article's summation, but I did find one thing interesting. "Mainline churches", "other Christians", and those not religiously affiliated have almost identical opinions with respect to whether the government needs to be more involved or less involved in issues of morality.

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I wouldn't be surprised to learn that while Atheists score the highest across the entire test, on questions specific to any given religion, its own participants will score highest in their particular religion.

Yeah, I was kind of thinking the same thing, although I've found that most people, regardless of religious affiliation, are appallingly ignorant about religion, including those important to them. That said, from my anecdotal experience, I'm not at all surprised if self-identified "evangelicals" do poorly on any test of knowledge about other religions. Mostly it's just an attitude that those other religions are wrong, and therefore I don't need to know about them, but you also sometimes run into the stronger version of: these other religions are wrong, and I shouldn't know about them, because if I study them I might catch the Wicca, or whatever.

Mind you, that's not been my experience with most Christians, nor all self-identifying "evangelicals", but It's definitely out there enough to be aggravating to me.


Going to tag on here: If you go to the Pew page, and look at the more in-depth break down of results, while it's generally true that those of a given religion know more about it than others, Athesists/Agnostics scored better on general "christian" knowledge than did most breakdowns of Christians, Mormons being the exception.

I'll pull out the table for exact numbers later, the site is down due to high traffic atm.

I'll also say I found the actual survey/methodology an interesting read, and was quite proudly able to correctly answer every question. Although they weren't that hard.

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Going to tag on here: If you go to the Pew page, and look at the more in-depth break down of results, while it's generally true that those of a given religion know more about it than others, Athesists/Agnostics scored better on general "christian" knowledge than did most breakdowns of Christians, Mormons being the exception.

I'll pull out the table for exact numbers later, the site is down due to high traffic atm.

I'll also say I found the actual survey/methodology an interesting read, and was quite proudly able to correctly answer every question. Although they weren't that hard.


What really surprised me is that "the government should do more to help needy Americans, even if it means going deeper into debt" beat out "The government can't afford to do much more to help the needy" by over 2 to 1. Even the evangelicals and stereotypically conservative groups overwhelmingly picked the first option, in total contrast to all the rhetoric.

Some of the questions on that are phrased badly though, and the responses aren't mutually exclusive. Q5e and f are especially bad.


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That's not that surprising. It isn't that evangelicals and stereotypical "conservative" groups don't feel the government should help the needy, and never has been. They just don't define "needy" to mean "anyone making less than six figures."

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That's not that surprising. It isn't that evangelicals and stereotypical "conservative" groups don't feel the government should help the needy, and never has been. They just don't define "needy" to mean "anyone making less than six figures."


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