The Glade 4.0

That's true, but then the violence in Glory is historically pertinent, unlike the violence in The Matrix which is pretty much gratuitous.. although entertaining. Full frontal nudity is something likely to cause at least one parent to go completely apeshit.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Yeah, we watched all of those -- in high school.

I did specify elementary school, did I not? You're highly unlikely to be studying or showing Macbeth to grade 3 students. Even grade 8 is a stretch.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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We read Romeo and Juliet in the 6th grade, and watched one of the movies about it, which included a nude scene... well, the exposed rear of one of the characters in a bedroom scene.

I believe that was Franco Zephirelli's version. We watched it in grade 9, actually. No Shakespeare at all in elementary school, then R&J, Macbeth, Hamlet, Julius Caesar, and Much Ado About Nothing in rapid succession in high school. :/

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I remember when they broadcast Shindler's List on TV. It was shown un-edited and without commercials, sponsored by Ford. I found the irony somewhat amusing and was impressed by the FCC and TV stations for doing it.

You didn't miss much.

IMO, Shakespeare is much ado about nothing.

Shakespeare was a brilliant storyteller. Macbeth and Midsummer Night's Dream are a big part of the foundation of modern fantasy. I've read a lot more plays of his than they ever made me study in school.

Even if one isn't a fan, knowing Shakespeare is like knowing bible stories: if you don't know the basics, you're basically ignorant of huge parts of the basis of the culture you live in. It's an essential part of a balanced education in "western society."

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Blasphemy!!!

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When he's underwater does he get wet? Or does the water get him instead?

We got to watch Apocalyse Now, Macbeth, Romeo & Juliet, and most of Mel Gibson's Hamlet, IIRC. We also saw a theatrical production of Othello. But not until 9-12th grades.

Heh. My bf made me squee yesterday because he just off-handedly quoted something obscure from Othello. Such a difference from the ex-husband, where it was all cartoon quotes, all the time.

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I can't answer that in my case. I tried reading it so long ago (in high school), and something in the tone or the writing style just turned me off at that particular time. Doesn't mean I wouldn't see it differently now if I attempted it again.

I've had other books along the way that I should have liked, and just couldn't get into - The Illuminatus Trilogy and Hitchhiker's Guide are two big ones. I should try them again some time. In my copious spare time.

(It seems like all of the books I read these days are geared towards research for the SCA. Right now, the in-depth topics are the introduction of Asian plants to the gardens of al-Andalus between the 10th and 12th centuries, onomastics from the 16th and early 17th centuries in what is now Poland, and the place name spellings found in a c. 1605 atlas of England, Scotland, and Ireland. I spent almost 2 hours yesterday going through Anglo-Saxon charters to find a piece of info for someone else. Recreational reading seems so... distant.)

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The best satire of the last two decades has been in cartoon format.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I don't know if I'd call it best, but they are in the running.

Looking at the list my first thought was, how sad, used to be most of the books on the banned lists were worth reading.

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"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Don't get me wrong, I love cartoons. It's just that when one side of the conversation is entirely made up of strings of quotes from the Simpsons or Futurama, it gets a little old.

(Of course, I randomly IM'd a friend some Simpsons quotes just yesterday morning. There's a time and place.)

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Why on earth would people NOT wanting to ban books with artistic merit make you sad?

I think he's implying that nothing interesting is being written.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Pretty much what Wwen said, though perhaps more directly the old style of book banning dealt with 'dangerous' ideas and things that 'we need to protect the women and children' from. They also tended to only ban books with literary merit, something people would actually read.

Today it seems to be ban worthy if it has a witch or a teenage itch in it. Getting a book banned seems to be part of the marketing campaign for some publishers.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

I think its more about the age the books are aimed at. Most of us are not so concerned about 'dangerous' ideas for adults, but influencing children seems to be where people cry foul.