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No, he's actually accidentally correct here. Trickle down is nothing more than mercantilism, or socialism for the rich. It has little if anything to do with free-markets or capitalism.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

No, that's not correct. Unless you mean in a strict definition-based non-contextual sense.

Tax cuts for those taxed at a higher rate (high earning individuals, companies with payroll taxes, property owners etc.) are removal of an artifical force on the market, not an additional supplement for the those types or an additional artificial force present which counteracts one in place. You could look at it that way, but effectively, that perspective is worthelss. The only other way you could reconcile such a statement is if you believe that the wealthier groups are innately deserving of being taxed more, maybe through some justification that they benefit more from a supposed social contract.

Removing such forces is what allows market to function, and society progresses and makes advances when the market functions, not when it is stiffled by artificial interferences.

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Addendum back to OT:

The Dollar closed below 75.50 and all currencies made gains over the USD.

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The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Kinda wishing blizzcon was about now... I woulda have had so much more money to spend >.<

Yes, that's what I meant. I've ben called on that here before, and decided it was appropriate, seeing as how the term is actually definition specific in the same field we are discussing.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I would argue that syntatically, it's not a very good one. In effect, Trickle Down economics have nothing to do with "welfare for the rich" because such an idea is predicated on the idea that:

A) Wealthy entities owe more

and/or

B) Tax cuts that remove artificial constraints on the market are themselves artificial vice removal or reduction of an artifical influence

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Since trickle down, the wealthy have enjoyed the lions share of all growth in this country. Middle class incomes have stagnated, and the gap between the rich and poor has increased exponentially. I'm sorry, but that's no endorsement of conservative ideology. Quite the opposite, in fact. A rising tide intended to lift only the biggest boats sinks the others in the bay. When you improve education, health care, and other bottoms up policies, you'll see overall prosperity incease for everyone, not just the few at the top.

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---The Daily Show

Then why isn't Germany the richest country in the world? Why are they suffering through double digit unemployment rates--unemployment rates that have exceeded 10% for nearly a decade? In fact, why can't the EU, with its preponderance of bottom-up, socialist states compete economically with a faltering United States?

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everyone is suffering through a recession, Khross. Why is it that the first countries to show economic growth were the ones with the most socialistic responses to the crisis?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Montegue:

Really? Who's showing growth?

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That's pretty funny, Montegue, because I heard yesterday that somebody did a study, and the nations that passed the biggest "stimulus" type measures in proportion to their .. I think it was GDP, are the ones that are still furthest in the slump. Nations that passed no such measures, or very small ones, like China and Brazil, are the first ones to show recovery, while the United Stateses and Great Britains are still ****.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8204075.stm

That article lists German, France, and China. Germany passed a 260b stimulus package, Japan's was large as well, and the stimulus in those countries is credited with their recovery.

I assume you're going to tell me that they didn't actually grow, for some reason, right?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

The fact that Japan and China's economy flourishes despite stimuli is a testament to the fundamental strength of their economies, not an endorsement of the success of such stimuli. Remember, Japan did the same thing we are doing now, but in the 80's. But they had strong savings (we do not), raised interest rates (which we are not going to do) and had a plan to stop running massive deficits.

Tell me how and why you think such a strategy will play out with our scenario or why such a strategy has merits in its own right regardless of context?

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The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

I'm definatly going to engage you on this, because I believe you are glossing over the terms. I may be wrong, but as we stand now, I feel this topic merits further discussion.

That said, you'll need to allow me to return at a future time. I'm off to attend my brothers and his fiance's rehearsal and dinner for their upcomming wedding, and I simply don't have the time.

If you are willing we can pick this up later. Yes?

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

If you engage in standard reception and post-reception debauchery and shenanigans, then yes, but only if that criteria is met.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

You have my word.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

There is some indication that China might be cooking the books. Their numbers don't quite make sense lately

I notice you are all ignoring Germany here. They had a huge stimulus and showed growth.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Was that stimulus funded by budget deficits or inflation? What growth, and how was it measured? Assert these things, and someone might address it. All what you've posted amounts to is "here's an example that's been wordsmithed to perhaps support my point."



This is the only thing even addressing Germany in the article you linked. How substantial or comprehensive is this claim? What is its basis?

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Do you have anything to prove that the claim is insubstantial or not comprenhensive?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Show that it's substantial and/or comprehensive.

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You asserted that they're recovering. Burden of proof following the classical rules of logical debate falls upon you.

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Yes I do. That's all it says. It might as well be a fiat statement. Unless the study shows its methodology or at least the technique and assumptions used to derive the conclusion, there is nothing substantial about it.

Furthermore, it's been pointed out that this burden is on you since you are using it to assert something.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Growth = the end of the recession, right? Well, Germany experienced growth.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Depends what you mean by growth, in both cases.

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