The Glade 4.0

He watched it burn too... but lacked the expensive resources necessary to protect it.

Those resources don't belong to the firefighters, you know - they're responsible to those that have provided the money for that, and exposing them to the abuse and destruction necessary to fight the fire for someone who didn't value his property enough to secure an arrangement for protection would be a violation for those that had paid for the protection. The article says the firefighters didn't respond to his call... a call from someone not in their district, someone who chose to not secure an agreement with them.

Their responsibility is to those in their district and those they have an agreement with. It would be neglect and a breach of ethical behavior had they responded. One of their customers may have needed their assistance, and they wouldn't have been available. They're paid to wait and be ready and available for such an event and you'd have had them ignore those responsibilities.

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In my opinion, the best time and place for that teaching is as a facet of the assistance. Otherwise, that "time and place" is always removed and discarded as extraneous fluff that doesn't have any bearing on getting services, and therefore no value in helping people up.

FarSky:

To echo Ladas, I don't see a predictable and self induced loss of property to be an "emergency". Additionally, the man demonstrated quite clearly that he didn't value his house as much as he valued his 75$, which is a personal financial decision.



I can tell you with 100% absolute certainty that most people don't have nearly as much insurance as they need, and not nearly enough protections in place to guarantee their assets when an unexpected tragedy crashes in on their lives. Fire insurance is no different. The amount of people who won't pay might not be in the majority, but it would certainly be sizable enough to dilute the availability and quality of service for those who do pay the entire burden. Think Obamacare.



I think you are being unreasonable. This man was not a tax-payer in the town. He was not a resident of the town. He has no right to demand services being paid for by others when he has no stake in their collective. Not even the stake of residence. This service he was denied was extra, and did not even need to be offered for a fee.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

What the **** is this ****? The cop in your example shares nothing in common with the man considering putting out his own fire as the police officer doesn't have any choice surrounding his danger. Being theatened with a gun is vastly different from choosing to walk into a burning building.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

rofl! Well, the shotgun approach, shooting out stuff to see if anything sticks, has been somewhat amusing. However, I have expressed an opinion, and if your goal was to convince me to re-think that opinion or consider that opinion wrong, you lose. I even agree with those of you who say he should have paid. But it doesn't change the fact that in my opinion, it takes a particularly callous, cold-hearted bastard to stand around and watch a man's home burn to the ground and say, "Well, he should have paid the $75."

Enough said.

Incident # 1... Chimney Fire. The FD responded, even though he did not pay for the service.

FD: "Look dude, we cannot do this again. You know that you need to subscribe to this service in order for us to come out here."

Douche: "Yeah I know"

FD: "Then if this happens again you are *** out!"

Douche: "Halp! I was burning trash, left the fire unattended and now it is spreading beyond my control!"

FD: "Dude, what did we say last time?"

The FD essentially had to act like a parent and let this guy get hurt in order for him to learn.

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Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Then you're an idiot.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

It doesn't speak favorably of your desire to engage in reasonable discourse if all you're really doing is throwing out stuff to see if it has any effect.

Really, people don't change their opinions around here all the time. Coming back to shout about how you didn't change yours doesn't impress anyone with the prospects of talking to you in the future.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You misunderstand what I said. I was not referring to me using a shotgun approach, instead, I was referring to the various arguments used to try to convince me that my opinion needs re-thinking. I found it amusing, but ineffective.

No one is doing that, however. Everyone else has looked at your arguments and addressed problems with your reasoning. If you're simply calling it the "shotgun approach" meaning a bunch of thoughtless stuff tossed out there, that indicates you dismissed any contrary opinion prior to hearing it. That's not conducive to discourse.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

When you approach a "discussion" with a preformed unmalleable decision, and contribute, you aren't a conversationalist. You are a preacher. Stop preaching at me, I'm not interested in the opinions of the willfully ignorant.

Come back when you want to discuss things like a rational, reasonable human being.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

A kinder gentler Monte?

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"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Or, I could come back when people here decide to stop misunderstanding what I say. I did not dismiss any argument prior to that argument being made, whether Diamondeye asserts that I did or not. I read your arguments. Some I agreed with, and said so in the course of this thread. But none of the arguments put forth changed my opinion of the humanity aspect of this situation.

I tell you what. You guys let me know when you want to actually respond to what I say instead of what you think I indicate, and then I'll come back.

We have a disconnect. We are responding to what you say. "Humanity" is inextricable from the other factors involved.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I've thought he was Monte for a bit now.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Now this might make for some interesting reading.

I assumed he meant there were so many holes shot in his argument that he felt attacked by a shotgun. But goddamn it he'll keep taking that leaky bucket back to that empty well cause its his god-given-right to do so!

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Depends on how many times he can use the word frothing and ad hom insults. If his arguments begin to look like plagurized KOS op-ed pieces, then ill call it.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Or Mookhow could just compare IP addresses. Personally I don't think it's Montegue.

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He also got into it once or twice when Monte was here ...........

For the love of...

He's not Monte, people. Get over it.

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Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

I had this discussion with Arafys. If Farther is Montegue, he's learned to use spellcheck. Mind you, the first time I see him post "rediculous," I'll be rather suspicious.

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Also, Monte doesn't have the tech knowledge to munge his IP address through any anon proxy, TOR exit node, or even his local library.

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It's diculous, for the second time!

Actually, Farther should just give up the ghost and make that his title.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

We are responding to exactly what you're saying. You just keep repeating over and over your opinion on the "humanity aspect of the situation". Why you think people are not responding to what you're saying is a mystery. The humanity aspects do not exist in a vaccuum; it is perfectly permissible to address them in terms of their relative merit to other considerations.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."