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Aragorn totally used lay on hands in Return of the King.

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It's an instance in a trend where PJ goes out of his way to build up Arwen as some kind of heroic figure, when she's not; she's part of the quest reward for Aragorn, and her job is to look pretty. Eowyn is the strong female heroic character in the story, and Galadriel is the strong background supporting character. PJ elevates Arwen to their prominence, and diminishes both of them by doing so.

And that's where my beef lies.



I think Anduril was the better of the two items he got for his quest line. Always sharp, looks cool and won't nag you til death. Oh and the ***** outlived him so he didn't even have her death to look forward to.

Of the female characters in the books, Eowyn was the only one I really liked.

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New Zealand law passed to keep the Hobbit

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The New Zealand government has passed legislation clearing the way for two Hobbit films to be made in the country despite stiff protest by opposition lawmakers, who said it was a "day of shame."

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Arwen's role did nothing to improve the movies. As a matter of fact, I'd say they made them worse due to her "I'm dying because Aragorn won't love me!" thing she had going.


Except that that aspect is in the books.


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In celebration, The Lord of the Rings Blu-Ray Trilogy (Extended Editions) are now up for pre-order. No arrival date yet, but box art is up, so they're pretty far along. Coming this year definitely.


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My only, only gripe with the extended editions is that
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the climax of the ghosts joining the battle of minas tirith is somewhat lessened. The theatrical version, Aragorn commands them to join him but you never hear their response. And when the battle is raging, you see the black ships appear and to a person not-in-the-know it would look pretty bleak. BUt then.... Raaaaaawr! Undead come spilling out and begin kicking ***. Far, far, far more potent of a moment when a person doesn't quite expect that. The extended edition..... eh..... it's still cool but nowhere even CLOSE to being on the same level of awesome.

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The ghosts being there at all was a horrible, horrible thing.

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Nah, it's a great moment. It's like bringing in the ringer for the Bad News Bears. It's what makes a race of baddies who have no fear go, "Oh ****, we're ****!" And it reinforced the point about how the bad guys can't plan for everything, and that all it takes is a little diplomacy to gain a powerful and unexpected ally. It's what also happened at Isengard with the ents. And, to a smaller extent, the Hobbits with the Ring.

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But in the book they didn't come with Aragorn. They just pushed back the ships and Aragorn freed them. Then Aragorn and company went to join the battle. The Oathbreakers weren't involved.

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It wouldn't have been nearly as epic if they made the movie that way. :p


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Raltar wrote:
Aragorn totally used lay on hands in Return of the King.

I still contend that Viggo did far more rangering in Hidalgo than he did in all three LOTR movies.

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It wouldn't have been nearly as epic if they made the movie that way. :p

Yeah, because deus ex machina is so epic...

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But in the book they didn't come with Aragorn. They just pushed back the ships and Aragorn freed them. Then Aragorn and company went to join the battle. The Oathbreakers weren't involved.



I'm talking about the movies. Not the books. They are not the same thing and never will be. To wish one was the other is like wishing chocolate tasted like vanilla. It's just cold, hard fact no matter how many Tolkienites wish it otherwise.

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I agree with your general point Numbuk, and thought the movies were outstanding and most of the changes were for the better.

In this case, however, I agree with Raltar. Bringing the Oathbreakers to the white city was a dumb decision, not from a "This isn't following the book!" standpoint, but from a narrative one. It's anticlimactic.

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What a **** travesty.

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I think if Raltar ever had a positive thought outside of dogs or '80s action movies, the world would explode.

Other dwarves:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/50370

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The others look fine, but...good god.

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What a **** travesty.



Agree with this. Those first two are way too pretty looking for dwarves.

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They actually fit the descriptions of Kili and Fili pretty well.

So does Bombur, in the picture Raltar hates. The other two I don't remember, but Oin and Gloin are cool.

I think it's interesting that Sherlock Holmes and Watson (from the recent BBC Sherlock series) are both cast in these movies, Watson being main character Bilbo Baggins, and Sherlock being the voice of Smaug.

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They actually fit the descriptions of Kili and Fili pretty well.

So does Bombur, in the picture Raltar hates. The other two I don't remember, but Oin and Gloin are cool.

I think it's interesting that Sherlock Holmes and Watson (from the recent BBC Sherlock series) are both cast in these movies, Watson being main character Bilbo Baggins, and Sherlock being the voice of Smaug.

That's because Britain is tiny, so there are only so many actors worth hiring who have the proper accent.

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He's waaaaaaay too young. IIRC he and Balin were the only two who were old enough to remember Smaug coming to the mountain. But, on the other hand, he does look badass.


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I'm very mixed. Where are the colored beards?

I realize that's a big Dwarf-culture geek question, but I've always pictured those Dwarves with colored beards, and not so much leather and stuff. Tunics and cloaks, that's about all. I don't think any of them had any armor to speak of, really.

I realize, too, that that's the look these days, and a major film can't stray too far from that look. And, of course, it's a look that was foreshadowed (so to speak), in LoTR, so I can appreciate the need for consistency. Had this been done in the 70s or 80s, they'd all be wearing shiny plate armor or something.

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