The Glade 4.0

[quote="Diamondeye"]Have you got any actual evidence that the allegations are fabricated or the result of financial inducement? Not evidence that he is innocent, but evidence that she is purposefully making a false accusation.[/quote

I think the more important question is what evidence do you have that the allegations are true?

You know the person bringing the claim (the one with the allegations) has to prove it. Not the other way around that is so common in rape allegations - which make it a perfect allegation to discredit someone.

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We don't know yet. I only claimed he was charged with rape, and that people who like this guy would instantly claim that the charge was convenient and blah blah blah. Furthermore, he was charged by a Swedish court, and Sweden is not an ally of the United States even if it's a generally friendly country. It's definiely not sympathetic to us in regard to the sort of matters the leaked information pertains to.

In any case, I don't care that you think the more important question is whether the allegations are true; this "I think the more important question" business is just a distraction fromt he fact that you have no evidence she is lying. By claiming (or in this case just "wondering" as a way to make the allegation without actually stating it directly) that the allegations are convenient or that the girl did it for financial gain, you're making an accusation as well - namely one of making a false report of a crime.

Innocent until proven guilty does not mean you can accuse the accuser of purposefully lying and then avoid supplying evidence. SAying you do not believe he is guilty is one thing, saying that the accuser does not actually beleive she was raped and is doing it for some ulterior purpose is quite another - and gives you a burden of proof.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Yes. If one believes "innocent until proven guilty" then it's actually hypocritical to say she's lying before we see how it all plays out. False accusations of rape are, themselves, a crime. If one is innocent until proven guilty, then she is currently innocent of making false accusations.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Smart money says he's hiding in Paris.

Hilton?

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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No, the 4 Seasons.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Doesn't this then get reduced to the legal equivalent of Schrodinger's cat... where they both have to be considered guilty and not guilty at the same time?

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In time, this too shall pass.

Depends on if the pussy's locked up tight enough.

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Holy shitsnacks!

We've already determined it's Paris Hilton's pussy, which rules that out.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
█ ♣ █

Well, the pussy itself may be loose. But the protection *around* said snatch?

Yeah, that's probably loose too.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Id say since hes the defendant, he is the one considered innocent until proven guilty. In the accusers case, they need to treat these allegations seriously, which is treating her as telling the truth until its shown shes lying. The conflict in my opinion is how the cases are handled. Take the alleged rape case in Philly where a mob beat one guy who ended up having nothing to do with the case, but was targeted due to being named as a person of intrest. There is an uneraseable association made in these cases even when the people are proven innocent. Duke lacrosse players anyone?

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

We haven't actually determined if money is involved, so Paris may or may not be part of this.

Although, come to think of it, tighter should be worth more.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Depends on what you're into.

Some people like puppet shows.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Roman.

Countrymen?

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Holy shitsnacks!

Polanski

Ladas isn't playing along.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
█ ♣ █

Hm. I didn't think Paris was Polish.

Learn something every day.

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Holy shitsnacks!

No.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You are absolutely correct. He should be considered innocent until proven guilty in regard to the rape charge. However, that does not mean that we assume she is lying; it is perfectly possible that she legitimately, but incorrectly feels she was raped. In fact a great many rape cases are questionable for that reason; the woman is not lying, but simply does not understand that her own outrage or anger at herself or whatever is not proof of rape.

The question of her lying on purpose for money is actually a separate legal question of her innocence or guilt of making a flase police report. The two are related in that they both pertain to the same set of facts, but they are not the same legal question.

In other words, the fact that he is innocent until proven guilty is not evidence that she is lying. Both are legal questions in their own right and must be addressed in the same way - fulfilling burden of proof. Neither legal question's burden of proof excuses an accuser from their burden int he other question.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I don't know what the hell is wrong with me, but the phrase "outstanding rape charges" sounds like a category in some kind of bizarro-world Academy Awards.

"And the oscar for outstanding rape charges in an international criminal investigation goes to..."

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Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

deleted my comment due to insensitivity... but my mind still wonders...

I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read this.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

/KanyeWest: Yo Stathol, I’m really happy for you…I’ll let you finish. But Roman Polanski was one of the best rapers of all time! One of the best rapers of all time!

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

It was an honor just to be nominated. I've got some projects for the upcoming year, and next year, I fully expect to be on that podium.

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Holy shitsnacks!