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I just love the final "**** You" our shellacked Congress and Prez are trying to slip through without people noticing. Another 2000 page bill, another 6700 earmarks, another "pass this in 3 days" agenda.

By BRODY MULLINS And COREY BOLES

A $1.1 trillion Senate Democratic plan to fund the federal government—a nearly 2,000-page document that includes about 6,700 earmarks—is drawing fire from conservative groups and some Republicans, setting up a test of GOP resolve to cut spending.

Republican Sens. John Cornyn, left, and John Thune oppose the $1.1 trillion omnibus spending bill.

The proposal, made public Tuesday by Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Daniel Inouye (D., Hawaii), contains billions of dollars of earmarks requested by lawmakers from both parties, challenging GOP vows to rein in federal spending.

Some of the conservative groups that fueled GOP gains in the midterm elections expressed outrage Wednesday at the Democratic bill, and some Republican lawmakers joined the chorus.

"Americans told Democrats last month to stop what they've been doing: bigger government, 2,000-page bills jammed through on Christmas Eve, wasteful spending," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.). "This bill is a monument to all three."

Mr. McConnell is one of the lawmakers who requested earmark spending, including $650,000 for a genetic research center at the University of Kentucky, according to information compiled by Taxpayers for Common Sense, a fiscally conservative group. Mr. McConnell has defended the requests, saying they were made before it became clear the appropriations process would end in a huge, end-of-the-year omnibus bill.

Sen. Robert Bennett (R., Utah), a retiring member of the appropriations panel, said he would support the bill. In doing so, he defended the earmarks process, arguing it was Congress invoking its prerogative to direct how government agencies should spend money allocated to them.

"If the Congress doesn't say 'spend it here,' the president says, 'OK, I get to decide where to spend it,' " Mr. Bennett said.

Senate GOP leaders have pledged to fight the measure when it comes up for a vote, possibly over the weekend. While some Senate Republicans have said they would support the bill, it wasn't clear whether Democratic leaders had the 60 votes needed to push it through.

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D., Mo.) said she planned to vote against the bill because it didn't include a three-year cap on discretionary spending that she and others have pushed for.

In the House, GOP leaders have said they would oppose the Senate bill if it reached them. Democrats hold the majority in both houses until January. Passage would require a simple majority in the House.

Congress needs to approve the measure or an earlier spending bill passed by the House by Dec. 18, otherwise the federal government could be forced to shut down.

The bill contains an array of earmarks—directing money to home-state projects backed by Democrats and Republicans. The proposal also contains funding for many projects backed by corporate lobbyists over the opposition of the Obama administration, including $450 million for General Electric Co. to build a second version of a jet engine for the Pentagon's next-generation fight jet, called the Joint Strike Fighter.

The fighter-jet engine issue could be crucial to some lawmakers' votes. Connecticut Sens. Joseph Lieberman, an independent, and Democrat Christopher Dodd both expressed opposition to the GE engine appropriation.

Wednesday, Defense Secretary Robert Gates called on Congress to pass an omnibus spending bill rather than continuing current levels of spending, which would happen under the House bill.

Among the earmarks in the bill: A $10 million earmark from House Democrats to help establish the John P. Murtha Foundation in honor of the late House member and $8 million for an institute named after the late Sen. Ted Kennedy (D., Mass.).

Some earmarks in the bill were sponsored by Republican lawmakers who voted recently for a moratorium on earmarks, including Mr. McConnell.

House Republicans have adopted a ban on earmarks for the coming legislative session. But some Republicans say the earmark ban covered future spending bills, while the bill under debate funds the government for the current fiscal year.

Tea-party activists, fiscally conservative organizations and some GOP lawmakers say the earmark spending should stop now, and are rallying opposition to the measure. "This is absolutely outrageous. Did these people forget Nov. 2 already?" asked Amy Kremer, the chairman of the Tea Party Express. Mrs. Kremer said her group was organizing an event Thursday outside the U.S. Capitol where opponents will read the bill aloud.

The fiscally conservative Club for Growth predicted that primary challengers will emerge for Republican lawmaker who votes for the legislation. A Club for Growth backed candidate derailed Utah Republican Sen. Robert Bennett's re-election bid this year.

Rep.-elect Kristi Noem, a South Dakota Republican, said voters "kept telling me two things on the campaign trail this year, first, stop spending money we don't have, and second, stop passing these large omnibus spending bills that have something for everyone."

Write to Brody Mullins at brody.mullins@wsj.com and Corey Boles at corey.boles@dowjones.com

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It's actually worse than that ...

I fully expect some wondrous equivocation and rationalization over this behavior by the recently deposed House majority. That said, I wonder how the supporters of the Democratic Party of the United States are going to swallow this one and regurgitate it to the rest of us.

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We to pass this, or the federal government will be forced to shut down. How are all those people that rely on the federal government for their daily sustenance going to survive? The old, the young? Think of them!

We may not like the contents of this bill at every level, but due to Republican obstructionism and pandering, we are out of time to craft something that helps those that need it without lining the pockets of the rich.

This is all we can do.


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Actually, it's worse than that, Ladas; it's worse than that.

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Don't worry the President will veto it because it contains earmarks. He promised me so 34 days ago.

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Don't worry the President will veto it because it contains earmarks. He promised me so 34 days ago.

You're so cute; I just want to eat you up!

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Whats to talk about? Big bill thats a gift to lobbyists, special interests, and that attempts to dictate the budget for next congress. But the Republicans will be painted as bad guys somehow on this.

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Whats to talk about? Big bill thats a gift to lobbyists, special interests, and that attempts to dictate the budget for next congress. But the Republicans will be painted as bad guys somehow on this.
It's going to be attached to the Senate bill extending the Tax Cuts and unemployment benefits as a procedural measure. The Republicans will have to vote No on the Tax bill to sink this.

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Wow, the partisan blinders here really do amaze me sometimes. Omnibus spending bills aren't unusual; about $24 billion of the earmark requests for this one are from Republicans; overall earmark spending has decreased since the Dems took control of Congress; etc., etc. The simple fact is, Republican political leaders are complete and total hypocrites and frauds when it comes to fiscal issues. Why conservative voters continue to buy their b.s. and view the Dems as the party of deficits and pork is beyond me.


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Wow, the partisan blinders here really do amaze me sometimes. Omnibus spending bills aren't unusual; about $24 billion of the earmark requests for this one are from Republicans; overall earmark spending has decreased since the Dems took control of Congress; etc., etc. The simple fact is, Republican political leaders are complete and total hypocrites and frauds when it comes to fiscal issues. Why conservative voters continue to buy their b.s. and view the Dems as the party of deficits and pork is beyond me.

I agree with most of this, but to answer your last question... Obamacare.


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Wow, the partisan blinders here really do amaze me sometimes. Omnibus spending bills aren't unusual; about $24 billion of the earmark requests for this one are from Republicans; overall earmark spending has decreased since the Dems took control of Congress; etc., etc. The simple fact is, Republican political leaders are complete and total hypocrites and frauds when it comes to fiscal issues. Why conservative voters continue to buy their b.s. and view the Dems as the party of deficits and pork is beyond me.
The only partisan blinders in this thread are yours, RangerDave, especially when you're issuing demonstrable falsehoods as fact and taking umbrage at the fact people would dare call the Democrats on their shenanigans. They couldn't pass this spending bill any time they tried in the 4 months before the election. They couldn't pass it during the session after the election. And now, now they're trying to play politics with Tax Cuts and Unemployment Extensions while people like you suck their **** cocks and blame the Republicans? You ... yes YOU, specifically YOU ... are what's wrong with America. You are the kind of person who ignores the big picture and the larger political problem because someone on MSNBC, namely Olbermann, LIED about something and you bought it.

It's **** disgusting when you ride in on your white horse, attack people who oppose the political bullshit going on, and then blame the Republicans, call us sympathizers, and partisans, and you have NO **** CLUE what's going on.

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Thankfully neither of my Senators were on board with this. I don't give McCain credit for much, but at least he's trying to act conservative.

I'm friggin disgusted that only 19 Senators voted against this bullcrap. When exactly do we take steps to let the economy recover? Oh wait, maybe that's not the plan.

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Khross wrote:
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Care to address any of the points I made? Also, would you mind telling me what lie of Olbermann's you think I bought? You see, I've never actually watched his show and very rarely watch MSNBC (or any other television news, actually), so I'm not sure what you're referring to.


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1. Earmark spending hasn't declined under Democrats in any meaningful way, if at all.

2. The only partisan statements in this thread belong to you.

3. You're conveniently ignoring the fact this spending bill has been shot down every time it's come up for a vote since it was drafted.

4. Earmark spending during Republican controlled congresses of recent history had more to do with buying obstructionist Democrat votes, because the Republicans didn't have a majority capable of passing said legislation.

5. Nancy Pelosi's little procedural rules changes that requires a 60% vote to actually pass House bills is the biggest reason it's **** failed to pass since inception.

6. Making the House vote part of the Tax Cut and Unemployment Extension measure means that the Democrats get to play bullshit partisan politics and try to cram every agenda measure they didn't pass into an issue people actually pay attention to without looking like the bad guys for trying to pass legislation people distinctly voted against in November.

But, hey, you know, being informed about the legislation would require you not repeat the same **** Keith Olbermann's been saying for 2 days. I guess you just read some other member of Ezra Klein's regurgitation chamber.

Oh, and one last thing ...

All the people you're calling partisans raked the **** Bush Presidency over the coals for its retarded fiscal policy; we ***** every time the idiot Republicans do something retarded with fiscal policy; and you're already god damned blaming the next Congress when it hasn't even taken office, yet. Seriously ...

Stop being a lawyer and think for a while.

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The last line is a problematic request Khross.

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Argh, why did I click on this? I've been avoiding politics as much as possible. Guess I'll have to go get hammered tonight.

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Wow, the partisan blinders here really do amaze me sometimes. Omnibus spending bills aren't unusual; about $24 billion of the earmark requests for this one are from Republicans; overall earmark spending has decreased since the Dems took control of Congress; etc., etc. The simple fact is, Republican political leaders are complete and total hypocrites and frauds when it comes to fiscal issues. Why conservative voters continue to buy their b.s. and view the Dems as the party of deficits and pork is beyond me.




Of course McConnell’s shift may be hypocritical, but it had the effect I wanted, heheh.

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The 1,924-page bill collapsed of its own weight after an outcry from conservatives who complained it was stuffed with more than $8 billion in homestate pet projects known as earmarks.


Or, as Politico put it:
Democrats concede budget fight to Republicans

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Okay, some writer in McConnell's office is getting a helluva Christmas bonus. That visual prop was visionary.

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Khross wrote:
Earmark spending hasn't declined under Democrats in any meaningful way, if at all.

According to this data, they very clearly have. Earmarks increased significantly under the Republicans in the 90s and skyrocketed during the '00s. When the Dems took over in 2007, earmarks immediately cratered again. They crept back up in 2008 and 2009 (stimulus!), but went back down again this year (-15%), and the omnibus bill you're decrying apparently cuts earmarks back even further (-47%).

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I fully expect some wondrous equivocation and rationalization over this behavior by the recently deposed House majority. That said, I wonder how the supporters of the Democratic Party of the United States are going to swallow this one and regurgitate it to the rest of us.

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Earmark spending during Republican controlled congresses of recent history had more to do with buying obstructionist Democrat votes, because the Republicans didn't have a majority capable of passing said legislation.

:D Awesome.

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You're conveniently ignoring the fact this spending bill has been shot down every time it's come up for a vote since it was drafted....Nancy Pelosi's little procedural rules changes that requires a 60% vote to actually pass House bills is the biggest reason it's **** failed to pass since inception.

You seem to be undermining the Republican talking points here. If there have actually been multiple opportunities for opponents to debate the bill, and the main reason it hasn't passed so far is just a procedural issue rather than a lack of majority support, then all the complaints about waiting until the last minute and linking the bill to tax cuts in order to ram it through would appear to be bogus. That said, I certainly agree that procedural rules in Congress are a huge clusterf*ck. Ironically, all the veto points and delaying tactics available are the main reasons we end up with these broad, comprehensive bills and the b.s. riders, earmarks, political gaming, etc. that go with them.


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Okay, some writer in McConnell's office is getting a helluva Christmas bonus. That visual prop was visionary.

True, but I have to wonder - if the 2000 page bill spends $500 million per page, what's the per page cost of his 1 page continuing resolution!?


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I cant wait till next Congress when libs cry about the evil Republicans ramming through bill after bill. Itll be a nice change from the past two years on how the Republicans have somehow stopped everything the supermajority wanted to do.

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RangerDave:

You're still assuming I support the Republicans and buying into false dilemma politics. As for your first links, their both demonstrably wrong and presented by horribly biased sources that have less credibility on the issue of politics than Bill O'Reilly and Rachel Maddow. I guess you're also forgetting the big shenanigans about earmarks in 2009 and earlier this year where earmarks were redefined by Pelosi and Reid so as to minimize the appearance of Democratic use of the mechanism. And, yes, they are trying to ram this down the people's throats, because the full spending bill in question contained the DREAM Act, the originally tabled components of the Health Care Reform Act, the Cap and Trade Tax, and the Don't Ask, Don't Tell repeal. And all of it was bundled up into the Tax Cut and Unemployment Benefits extension. You're trying to have your cake and eat it, too; Pelosi and Reid tried to get every failed agenda issue rammed through in this little debacle.

But, I'm supremely tired of your obvious partisanship and lack of critical thinking. You only speak of politics as the most dubious and obnoxious of leftist blogs post stuff of late. You don't actually think of it as a continuum of events and behavior anymore, as demonstrated by the fact you're last post ignores what's been going on and buys into very obvious lies and myths perpetrated by the douchenozzles in power. More to the point, you take one part of the truth: the spending bill and all the bundled legislation have been failing to pass largely because Pelosi got overconfident and made a 60% vote a requirement in the House to actually pass legislation, but ignoring the fact that all these failed agenda measures were being tacked on something the majority of people support in a special, super late session of a lame duck Congress.

Like I said, stop being a lawyer and think for a while, because you're obviously just regurgitating the same slop I hear from MSNBC every night.

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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1 And defeated! Go Rep's, suck it Reid, suck it long, suck it hard (in the best of Sean Connery impressions)

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Khross wrote:
You're still assuming I support the Republicans and buying into false dilemma politics.

Actually, I don't think you support the Republicans; I think you hate the Democrats, and Obama in particular, with such a fiery, unreasoning passion that your critical-thinking skills go completely out the window, leading you to embrace many dubious and even some ridiculous Republican talking points.

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As for your first links, their both demonstrably wrong and presented by horribly biased sources that have less credibility on the issue of politics than Bill O'Reilly and Rachel Maddow. I guess you're also forgetting the big shenanigans about earmarks in 2009 and earlier this year where earmarks were redefined by Pelosi and Reid so as to minimize the appearance of Democratic use of the mechanism.

I haven't forgotten that, which is part of the reason I chose to link a source that, despite its faults, is certainly not inclined to carry water for the Dems. The point is, whether you use the pre-2009 approach to measuring earmarks or the post-2009 approach, there's no question at all that they went through the roof under Republican Congresses in the 90s and 00s, and dropped significantly when the Dems first came in pre-recession. If you disagree, I would be interested in seeing the numbers that support your view.

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And, yes, they are trying to ram this down the people's throats, because the full spending bill in question contained the DREAM Act, the originally tabled components of the Health Care Reform Act, the Cap and Trade Tax, and the Don't Ask, Don't Tell repeal. And all of it was bundled up into the Tax Cut and Unemployment Benefits extension. You're trying to have your cake and eat it, too; Pelosi and Reid tried to get every failed agenda issue rammed through in this little debacle....{Y}ou take one part of the truth: the spending bill and all the bundled legislation have been failing to pass largely because Pelosi got overconfident and made a 60% vote a requirement in the House to actually pass legislation, but ignoring the fact that all these failed agenda measures were being tacked on something the majority of people support in a special, super late session of a lame duck Congress.

Like I've said, I'm not a fan of comprehensive legislation, unrelated riders, etc., so I don't disagree with this critique in principle. However, I don't recall you complaining so vociferously about package deals and procedural tactics prior to January 2009. Your outrage here strikes me as very selective.

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But, I'm supremely tired of your obvious partisanship and lack of critical thinking. You only speak of politics as the most dubious and obnoxious of leftist blogs post stuff of late. You don't actually think of it as a continuum of events and behavior anymore, as demonstrated by the fact you're last post ignores what's been going on and buys into very obvious lies and myths perpetrated by the douchenozzles in power....Like I said, stop being a lawyer and think for a while, because you're obviously just regurgitating the same slop I hear from MSNBC every night.

Well, ymmv, I guess. To you, my arguments sound like those of a Democratic fanboi, while to me, your arguments sound like those of a zealous ideologue. Plus ca change...


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