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If a male is attracted to males, he is not straight.

Who is the APA and why do I care about their opinion?

I've heard that too... but not sure I buy it. If I had to molest someone, it certainly wouldn't be a male.

You're a bit confused. Pedophilia has nothing to do with one's sexual orientation otherwise, and the sex of the child being abused also has nothing to do with one's sexual orientation.

As Corolinth pointed out, attraction to children is often considered it's own sexual orientation, but even if we use that, most pedophiles would then be marginally "bisexual," as they still have adult women as their primary sexual partners.

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But I bet that female CP is more prevalent than male.

It's actually rather funny to watch you guys discussing pedophilia when the issue is abuse of authority. But, of course, gay non-comms (edit, and officers) would never tell pretty-boy private that things would go a lot smoother for him if he were a bit more cooperative. That will never happen, just like catholic priests never abused their authority, either.

I'm not confused at all. I've heard that argument before. It's appears to be nothing more than a segment of the community distancing itself from another.

Again,

You state that merely being attracted to the same gender means you are not straight.
By that logic, merely being attracted to the opposite gender means you are not gay.

Therefore, almost no pedophiles are gay.

Of course, those first two statements are contradictory. It's either more complex than you're willing to admit, or you're an idiot.

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Oh yeah, I almost forgot. The last time I called something (not someone) gay on the Glade, I nearly got banned.

Is this the same APA who classified homosexuality as a mental illness until 1973? I'm just saying...

It's interesting because what the APA is saying is quite contradictory with what pedophiles themselves say. Of course, you probably shouldn't take that at face value, either. What I'd really like to know is what the actual behavior looks like. I don't know where you'd find statistics on this kind of thing, but if in reality most sex offenders with child victims demonstrate a preference towards one gender or the other, that would seem to dispute the APA's stance rather empirically. I don't know where you would get numbers on that.


This is also an interesting point, but as far as the illegal stuff goes, I'm not sure how you'd get meaningful statistics. Maybe the FBI, etc. compile statistics on these things? On the legal or quasi-legal side of things, it would probably not be too hard to look at the sales revenues of shotacon vs. lolicon in Japan, for instance. Granted, it's Japan, but still. I bet someone has even done studies into the gender of the buyers, too. I think it even tends to be further broken down into gay vs. straight, as well. But sales figures aside, just the existence of distinct genres and even sub-genres would imply that it's little more complicated than just "I have thing for kids".


It doesn't? I mean, action as well as attraction is meaningful, but if "I'm attracted to other men" doesn't make you at least a little bit gay, then the terms are rather meaningless, aren't they?


I wouldn't doubt it. The vast majority of people are (mostly) straight.


It's funny that you should say that, because your apparent agreement with the APA strikes me as being overly simplified, especially coming from you. I don't mean anything hostile by that -- I'm just referring to your view that there is no "Aristotelian" sexuality. That is, "gay" and "straight" are part of a continuum. Generally speaking, I think I agree with that assessment. But there doesn't really seem to be any particular justification for removing pedophilia to some kind of weird monopole separate from the rest of human sexuality other than "that's gross. Don't let it touch me."

Again, I haven't seen any statistics on the matter -- maybe pedophiles really don't exhibit gender preferences like the rest of us, but on face value, it seems odd to me that they wouldn't.

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I don't really agree with the APA in calling it an orientation (check my wording, above). In fact, I don't think pedophilia is about sex at all, in most cases. Like rape, it's usually about power. The pedophile is an insecure person with serious other issues and is satisfying those issues by the power he can hold over a child. That said, I'm sure there are people actually sexually attracted to children due to an age preference--there are actually people out there who go for geriatrics.

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I don't have statistics, but media of underage males is much more rare on the Internet, simply from lack of demand.

I bet it wouldn't be too hard to write a script that crawls all the *chans and counts posts or images in the various sections. I don't think I really want to, though.

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You're either straight, or your not. There are varying degrees of "bent", but there is only one straight.

Bullshit. You have no concept of sexuality, and are merely trying to create an artificial division between what you in your warped fashion see as good and normal, and everything else.

As a general rule, a straight person is someone primarily attracted to the opposite sex, while a gay person is someone who is primarily attracted to the same sex.

NOBODY is 100% straight. Nobody is 100% gay. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just deluding themselves.

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That link reaffirms Arathain's assertion.

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Except for the part where it doesn't. But anyway, Corolinth never said it was a refutation of Arathain's comment in the first place.

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My nephew went through the process and got into the USAF Academy in Colorado. He stayed with it for two years, left because he was too tall to be considered for jet fighter training. Came back to California and finished up at a local college, third generation to get a degree from CSU San Jose, though when my dad went it was just San Jose State.

Yes, it was a tough grind to get all the academics and extra curricular activity in, but he was bright enough to ace all his classes and enjoyed a lot of the extra curricular stuff. He was a cross country track star in high school and was among the small group every year that are amused by the USAF staff trying to run them ragged. He and about a half dozen other track jocks just kept pace at the lead and never had to do the extra duty of the losers. His congressman nominate him for the academy and my sister found out their congressman enjoyed having someone to nominate that had gotten the checklist, filled in every box, and nobody had to gussy it up to make it look impressive.

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I don't know about Berkeley (that's a different kettle of fish), but Harvard, Yale and Columbia are on board.

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Sure it does.

Coro never wrote anything, just posted a link. I figured it was worth the effort to point out.

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That's because you're a bleedin' tosser.

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...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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In the first place, Kinsey didn't use the terms "straight" or "gay", let alone "straight" and "bent". Nor is there any indication that he considered homosexuality to be a distortion or twisting of heterosexuality. So Arathain's argumentum ad geometria isn't going to gain any traction with any of Kinsey's theories. Fundamentally, it's a fallacy to substitute "straight" and "bent" for "heterosexual" and "homosexual" (as used by Kinsey) because they don't bear the same relationship.

But even supposing that you (incorrectly) exchange these terms for "heterosexual" and "homosexual", it still wouldn't support his argument. Case in point:



This is precisely the opposite of what Arathain proposed. Not only is there a category which is "equally straight and bent", but even those categories which are more than 45 degrees (so to speak) still bear the "straight" designation as a secondary qualifier.

Even passing familiarity with Kinsey's work and writing should be sufficient to know that it was largely a refutation of exactly that sort of discrete, "Aristotelean" ("You're either straight, or your [sic] not") analysis of human sexuality. Of course Kinsey's theory may be either right or wrong (or more or less useful in a positivist perspective). Perhaps Arathain's theory is the correct one and Kinsey was wrong. However, the two theories are quite incompatible, and it really strains credibility to suggest that Kinsey somehow secretly supported absolutes in human sexuality.

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The real issue here is that adult heterosexual males have a hard time coming to terms with the ultimate conclusion of Kinsey's experiments. The fact that practically no human beings are a 0 or a 6 means that they are at least incidentally homosexual. That's a hard pill to swallow when you believe that teh gayz0rz is nast-E.

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