The Glade 4.0

No I didn't overlook it. You, however, can't seem to avoid your zeal for playing the victim card every time you're disagreed with. Yes, some people will abuse their authority, but that's why we have the rules I cited. You showed no reason why a gay commnader doing it to a straight soldier would be either more common or more problematic than a straight soldier



What planet exactly do you live on where this is even relevant? Of course some people do or we wouldn't have such rules. Explain why it will be any more of a problem now that people will be openly gay.



Yes, some of them will. So what? No one ever argued that some won't; it was pointed out that there are perfectly adequate means to deal with it. You are implying by even bringing this up that there is sometihng new and special if it happens between a gay commander and a straight soldier than otherwise. Now you're just hiding behind faux outrage and this "you're caliing the world is perfect!" strawman because you really have no argument. You're just pointing out the blindingly obvious and pretending it's a point.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

No one claimed it won't happen, you fool. I claimed that there are policies in place to deal with it, and that it will be no different than if it happened between people of the opposite sex.

Why the hell do you think we even have such policies? It isn't just in case sexual impropriety somehow happened because the military is perfect. You're trying to claim something will somehow be worse now that soldiers could be openly gay which is sheer hogwash.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Obviously you need to be reminded of what you said yourself.

You did claim it won't happen. I know who the fool is, and it's not me.

That is not what I'm saying, though it is possible. I am saying that this is one more negative thought that may be on the mind of potential recruits, and thus it may hurt recruitment ability. However remote the possibility of such an abuse of power actually occurring, some young men who might join the military will now choose to not do so, to avoid that possibility altogether.

I really don't care, myself. I'm not in the military and I certainly would not join it now, the people there can deal with it as they wish. I know an active duty soldier who told me that if someone was looking at him in the shower he wouldn't think much about it, but if an openly gay guy was looking at him, he'd probably kick his ***. You people thinking this is going to be smooth and issue-free are deluding yourselves.

So you have a **** bigoted douchebag for a friend... And?

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

And calling him your pet names isn't going to change his attitude, nor will it change the attitude of others who feel just like he does. He's fighting for your right to call him those names, and I doubt he gives a **** what your opinion of him is. I respect him and his service to our country.

I'm willing to bet if men and women were forced to shower together, you wouldn't call a woman a bigoted douchebag if she kicked a man's *** for looking at her.

No, I'd call her a **** man hating ****.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Nope, I'd just kick her *** for assaulting a person.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Classy. Real classy.

Of course, maybe the military will provide separate shower facilities for gays so as to avoid such occurrances. Just as they recognize women should not be subjected to unwanted sexual attention, maybe they'll understand that hetero men should not be subjected to unwanted sexual attention. Who knows. Maybe.

I'm not following this conversation any further down this particular road, but I do have to note that sexual attention != sexual harassment.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

Unwanted sexual attention is in fact the definition of sexual harassment (in the workplace at least).

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How does looking at someone qualify? Because some "fag hating" douchebag decides it does?

Wiki hrm.. looking at someone is not mentioned there (that I could find), except for the listing of Great Gallant.

I sincerely hope anyone willing to "fag bash" gets themselves a serious clue.

Two of my best friends are gay, and you know... I would trust either one of them with my life and the lives of my family before I trusted most other people. I would trust them to the defense of this country, I would trust them on their opinions of right and wrong before I would even respect the opinions of some of the people I have made the acquaintance of here on the Glade.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Yeah sexual harassment is crap because it is in the eye of the "harassed" completely. You could be staring off into space daydreaming (in the general direction of someone) but if that person feels you are staring at them suggestively you get hauled off into HR. Then you may get to go to court and it is absolutely your word against theirs.

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Some sexual harrassment is obvious and bad. But anyone who is willing to beat someone's *** for looking at them deserves to swallow their own head.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

"He looked at me in the shower" is over the top for sexual harassment. However if and individual continuously harasses someone in this manner (staring day after day lewd looks, and pattern of making someone uncomfortable) then that needs to be dealt with. Those who come out under this policy need to behave like gentlemen and ladies of the American armed services just as we expect from the strait folks. That's the definition of equal treatment under the law. That's what this debate is supposed to be about right?

The proof is in the pudding as they say. So only time will tell.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Just saw this, they made Kerrigan white in Starcraft II?

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When was Kerrigan not white?

I don't recall her armor being white in SC. Hop -- that's actually the SC2 cinematic flashback to Mengsk's betrayal at the end of the SC1 Terran campaign, so it's a total retcon.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

A retcon would imply they changed stuff. They left the dialogue pretty much intact, did they not? (Apart from replacing kerrigan's voice.)

There was no cinematic for this in the original, it was handled in mission with the very low-res sprite-based graphics, so there's really no way to tell what color her armor was.

This is as high-res as it got, right here:

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Right. And those goggles are pretty clearly black, just like her (and other ghosts') armor.

The dialogue was pretty close; I didn't compare it word for word but didn't spot any glaring discrepancies, either.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Can we move this thread to the gaming section please? I'm mortally offended that we're discussing Starcraft in Hellfire.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

I thought Hop meant ethnically. Maybe not.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

In the low-res pic above she is black with red dread-locks.

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Are you saying white is right, Stathol?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

We looking at the same picture? The dreads I'll give ya, but she aint black.