The Glade 4.0

The issue for me isn't (just) that he was ignorant when he was making the campaign promises, it is also that he is fully capable of fulfilling this one, but he won't because it'll cost him personally, politically - the rights of others be damned.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Try stating your own opinions instead of making up **** that you think other people are thinking.

He wasn't ignorant at all. He is a smart person, he knew the lie, he knew it wouldn't be fulfilled, he knew it would help him get elected so he said it.

HE IS A POLITICIAN THAT IS WHAT THEY DO.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

That is my opinion. You are doing everything you can to not hold him accountable for this.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

I do think that is a fair criticism, and it is frustrating that we haven't gotten further along. That said, there have been a lot of bigger fish for him to fry IMHO. Political costs or no, it's all about setting priorities.

Dude, unless that fish is the reputation of Jimmy Carter's Presidency, Obama hasn't accomplished anything more than making an abject fool of himself and a complete mockery of his office.

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Yeah, that is the prevailing opinion on these forums, as wrong as it is...

What has he accomplished, Aizle?

Seriously ...

What has the man done as President?

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All he has to do is tell people to shut it down... and it would be shut down. It would take at most a day of his time.

Really Aizle?

First week of office he completely goes against not having lobbyists in his administration.

DADT could have been handled the first two weeks as the political momentum of his election obliterates resistance. Hell he could have issued a standing order to the military and let Congress try to come after him for issuing orders contrary to Congress (it wouldn't have stuck).

Bradley is an order to the military - that is all it would take.

GB is a private talk with a general and an order, maybe an hour - maybe.

Thats how things GET DONE instead of get talked about doing. He has no idea how to do the former because hes only ever done the later.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Yup, like I said, the prevailing opinion around here. Enjoy your positions.

Or you could answer the questions instead of being dismissive.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Riiiiight.

This is all stuff that has been hashed and rehashed here over the last 2 years. I see nothing to be gained by anyone by trying to get into line by line argument about how good or bad Obama has been as a president with the folks here.

Others see merit in the conversation. Why don't you?

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Perhaps it's because he doesn't have a defensible position.

Yeah I wouldn't want to ice skate up that hill either. It's like arguing "But what about all the gooooood things Hitler did?". Hitler did some good things for Germany, but I think they will forever be overshadowed by "other things"

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

I honestly don't know if his position is defensible or not, because he won't explain his reasoning to me. He very well may be right as rain, all he needs to do is persuade me.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Since when is agreeing on a topic necessary to continue a conversation here?

If that were the case, Hellfire would be a pretty boring place.

Maybe I'm jaded, but all I see is others looking for an excuse to vent about how awful they think Obama is. I'm not really interested in enabling that behavior.

I think the idea that you are dismissing reasons as excuses is problematic. This is compounded by the fact that you refuse to engage them in discussing those reasons in order to counter them.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

If I wanted to vent about how awful Obama is, I'd start a thread. I don't need an excuse. Using that as a reason to avoid a conversation is kind of silly around here.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

That is the most Dorian thing I have read all day.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Really dude? Isn't page 3 a bit soon to Invoke Godwin?

Well since you gone and done it already....

Jesus!

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Racist!!!

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"nothing like a little meow in bed at night" ~ Bruskey

"I gotta float my stick same as you" Hondo Lane

"Fill your hand you son of a *****!"

as to the thread title.... 3 words... maybe four, sometimes considered 3 and a contraction:

"Obama doesn't care"

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut