The Glade 4.0

"I'll give you my sex when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!"

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

"I swear, it was an accident! The damn thing just went off!"

With some minor editing, I can agree.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I resent being called right wing. I am a misanthrope and believe nihilism is a good thing, I believe that gays should be given all of the same protections as straight people, I think not only is abortion okay, but some people should not be allowed to breed (I probably fall into that list myself /shrug), I also am not huge into the whole God thing like others are.

Just because I do not suckle at the teat of randomly redefining words because it allows me to feel better about myself.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Problem with your logic: Europe is actually staring to realize their spending is unsustainable.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Haven't they always spent a lot? I don't see what's new about it or why now it should be "unsustainable".

Are you serious? You agree with a statement that says collective bargaining is banned for everything except wages, and wage increases are capped according to cost-of-living increases, and still claim they have collective bargaining power? What power do they have, given this? It explicitly bans them from bargaining over anything but wages and wage increases are capped at a very low level. They have no power. In fact, if one agrees with your statement that the CPI is a total lie then this bill is actually a gigantic recurring annual pay cut that they no longer have any permission to bargain over.

Killing collective bargaining rights is always a union-busting measure. If the union asks for more money you aren't actually forced to agree and give it to them. Removing their bargaining rights is just a ploy to remove this power to reduce their market value.

Yes, I'm sure he's serious.

They can collectively bargain with their employers if they desire anything more than CPI increases. If their employers agree that their collective bargaining worked, they'll vote to give them more.


More than Federal employees do.


Again, if they desire more, they can collectively bargain with their employers.


No, a union busting measure would be to outlaw unions.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

The liberal definition of "union busting" is limiting unions to the behavior and actions their contracts ostensibly limit them to performing. But, Wisconsin passed and signed the bill into law by separating the union measures from the budgetary measures; so, this argument is pretty much over. That said, the provisions that caused the uproar were issues of the Unions taking advantage of a tax-payer provided monetary base.

The State will no longer pay union dues for the Teachers. The Union can no longer protect bad teachers. The Union can no longer lobby for yearly contract employees (university professors). The Union can no longer dictate that the State pay 100% of the retirement, insurance, and insurance taxes of the employees.

The Union in Wisconsin wasn't busted; it was corrected. If you want to see real union busting, checked out Tennessee where their legislature is about to dismantle the state teachers' union. Oh, and ironically enough, anyone who doesn't think NPR is biased should listen to this morning's Morning Edition segment on the Union situation in Wisconsin. They should also listen to the segment on Marketplace about the governors of New Jersey and Virginia.

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That's a fair assessment. I do think they make an effort.

I'm happy with their reporting, generally. I know what I'm getting, so it's no big deal.

So then, Theri, I guess I'll assume that you aren't going to address the questions regarding how you came to the conclusion that ds, and I are "on the right", as you so elegantly put it.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

You can assume whatever you want, but answering your question will actually require considerably more of my time & attention than I have to offer at the moment. The fact of the matter is I'm swamped and feeling like crap and can't provide the point-by-point response that this requires with the few moments I snag to check in.

However you had plenty of time to but them in the 'far right' box, because that took little effort and actual...
*thought*.. on your part.

Yup, you nailed it Midgen.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

You make the potentially false assumption that just because someone doesn't have the time or inclination to show all of their work here in an effort to inform a hostile audience, that that work hasn't been done.

See, that's the deal; if he made his posts pegging people into their categories based on logical, informed reasoning, he'd be able to give his reasoning without having to resort to looking for evidence to back up what he said. He'd already have the evidence, as he'd used it to reach the conclusion he asserted in the post.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

I'm not sure it's that simple. Sure, if he's only now reached some of those conclusions, I'll agree with you. But speaking for myself, most of my positions on things are based on years worth of incremental data elements and tweaks. It's hard to summerize all of that into a neat bundle without a fair amount of work.

Honestly, Aizle, I don't believe you. If you made an affirmative statement about my beliefs on something, I'm almost certain you could tell me why you made that statement - in less than 10 minutes.

Heheh, either that, or my conclusions about you are wrong...

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

TheRiov also does not take our activities in other threads into account. Like the PbP forum, or the general forum.

So... to the person who specifically called a few of us out,
We do not get a seperate count for each area of the board, so either nut up or shut up. Show your god damned work on how the groupings you gave are accurate representations.

Or do you need time to go and redefine the god damned dictionary to your (bleeding)heart's content until you can pin the assassination of JFK on us?

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

/shrug

Not sure what to tell you there. You're asking him to tell you why he thinks you lean toward the right. That's my high level assessment of your political leanings as well, although I do believe you're more reasonable than most here on the boards. Why do I believe that? The fast answer is "based on many years of your posting history". I've frankly forgotten many of those posts, but recall the bucket that I put you in (fairly or unfairly) each time. Were I to really want to press home why, it would require a fair bit of post farming to come up with the examples.

While you're busy spouting facts that aren't true (I did take it into account)--a fact you can verify by checking the "Most active forum" on each user's profile -- every one I named also has Hellfire as their primary posting forum AND over 700+ posts in hellfire.


Khross (3400+ posts, 2000+ in hellfire), Elmo (2300+ posts, 1600+ in Hellfire) Screeling, (2000+ posts, 700+ in Hellfire ), Vindicarre (2700+ posts, 1200+ in hellfire) , Darkseige (3100+ posts, 800+ posts in Hellfire)

Of those on the Far Left, both RangerDave and Aizle have more than 700 posts in Hellfire. I come in just under 500.

yes, I did take into account the amount of posts in Hellfire. (Sorry DS but you're wrong... AGAIN.) And Each of the people I named except myself have Hellfire as their most active forum.

Not true. I've knocked heads with Diamondeye, You, Michael, Dash, and any number of people. I wouldn't consider Michael on the right at all for example.

Like this isn't a giveaway?

But I'm also trying to settle on what 'proof' you'd even accept. If I can find 10 posts I feel are examples of classic 'right' leaning for each of you is that acceptable? 20? 50? (for the record this isn't even worth the time it takes to pull 20 of your posts, you'll get maybe 10 out of me)

So if you want me to provide 'proof' I want to know what proof is good in your eyes.


But since we're showing our work, lets see you find 10 posts where you actually say SOMETHING positive about a Left Side politician. I bet I can find 10 posts where you say something negative about a Left Side politician. I bet I can find another 10 posts where you say something in support of a Right Side politician.

Edit 2: Lets add organizations to the list you can use.

I'm curious where you place me? Anti-DOMA, Anti-PATRIOT Act, Anti-Republican, Anti-DADT, Anti-Iraq War, Pro-Free Trade Act, Pro-open borders, ect.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I'd much rather tell you where to go and what to shove up what orifice, and then tell you how many times to pull the trigger. The others Here at least occasionally respond to me with a modicum of intelligent discourse. You've never given me anything but your hatred and venom.