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I always wondered where the struggling T-mobile would fall.

Hey, maybe this will mean I can use my AT&T company phone on the highway without dropping so many freaking calls.


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Condolences to the luthier in Washington.

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*shakes fist* do you have any idea how much work this means for me? *snicker*


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I feel sorry for anyone who is a relatively happy T-Mobile customer.

Life is not going to be good or them during and after this transition....

Cross your fingers that it doesn't pass regulatory muster, and the deal falls through....

http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwoyke/ ... bile-deal/


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Yeah, my reaction to the news was, "Well, ****, I just got away from them."

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Maybe this means I'll get 3G in town now right? Right?

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Well, I always like to look to the positive. Perhaps my new wireless overlords will let me have an Atrix now, instead of the selection of zero equivalent class smartphones that I can currently use (and nothing as good coming down the pike).


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Well, I always like to look to the positive. Perhaps my new wireless overlords will let me have an Atrix now...

You might get one, but don't expect any competitive pricing...

Here is the PR site....
http://www.mobilizeeverything.com/

Don't believe the hype...

JP Morgan loaned AT&T 20 Billion Dollars to make this acquisition. I'm pretty sure that AT&T/JP Morgan would not have taken this risk without prior nods from the regulators that the deal would go through.

The hooks is, AT&T is promising to make significant investment in rural broadband, which will help Obama keep his promise of "Broadband For Everyone".

Also, it's a well known fact that the Obama administration was at odds with Deutsch Telecom over their labor practices in the US. It seems that DT strongly pressured their USA arm to not unionize, much to the consternation of the current administration.

They (DOJ/FCC) will go through the motions, hem and haw, and gesticulate like they are seriously concerned, but in the end this deal will go through, just like the Comcast/NBC merger went through. And consumers will ultimately pay they price. T-Mobile has always been the "Value" brand, and kept downward pressure on wireless rates. Now that they are gone, you can expect wireless base pricing to go up by 20%-30% over the next few years.


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Internally, we've always jokingly referred to AT&T as the "Death Star", and whenever we hired someone who was a former AT&T employee, we always said "Welcome back from the Dark Side" (and vice-versa when someone left and went to AT&T).

Needless to day, the mood is pretty glum at corporate HQ today. Not a lot of people are showing a lot of motivation. I can't imagine how the CSR's must feel. Something tells me we won't be winning any more JD Power Awards for "Best Customer Service".. =(

I found this image on dailytech.com, and though it was pretty funny.
http://www.dailytech.com/ATT+to+Buy+TMo ... e21173.htm
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And then there is this old favorite from Comedy Central
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Midgen wrote:
Internally, we've always jokingly referred to AT&T as the "Death Star", and whenever we hired someone who was a former AT&T employee, we always said "Welcome back from the Dark Side" (and vice-versa when someone left and went to AT&T).

Needless to day, the mood is pretty glum at corporate HQ today. Not a lot of people are showing a lot of motivation. I can't imagine how the CSR's must feel. Something tells me we won't be winning any more JD Power Awards for "Best Customer Service".. =(

I found this image on dailytech.com, and though it was pretty funny.
http://www.dailytech.com/ATT+to+Buy+TMo ... e21173.htm
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And then there is this old favorite from Comedy Central
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oh yeah, I forgot we're losing the t-mobile girl. Aww :( Screw you AT&T commercials!


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Yea, bye bye Carly Foulkes, it was nice while we knew ya!

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In the mean time, here is some info for current t-mobile customers. Basically, at some point once the networks are merged, your current 3G/4G phone will have to be replaced by one that works on AT&T's network.

That's right folks, AT&T's plan is to migrate all of TMO's 3G/4G subscribers to their already crappy, overcrowded network, and re-use TMO's spectrum for their broadband expansion. Look at these before and after "LTE" maps.

http://www.mobilizeeverything.com/lte.php

The areas that are blue after the merger will be at the expense of the 3G/4G T-Mobile coverage that exists there now.

Originally from the Houston Chronicle, linked from the Seattle Post Intelligencer
http://www.seattlepi.com/business/437449_tmobile21.html

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Why the AT&T/T-Mobile merger is a disconnect
By DWIGHT SILVERMAN
HOUSTON CHRONICLE

Today, if you're interested in switching to a new cellphone carrier, you've got at least four options in major markets: AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile and Verizon. All of these are big companies, with networks that cover much of the country and a variety of data and voice plans to fit different needs.

But a year from now, this landscape may be dramatically different. AT&T said on Sunday that it wants to acquire T-Mobile for $39 billion in cash and stock, effectively reducing the number of major carriers by 25 percent. By any definition, that means consumers will have fewer choices, with fewer players competing for your communications dollars.

AT&T and T-Mobile, of course, are spinning this as good for consumers, a position all merger participants adopt but which, in reality, seldom happens.

The combination of AT&T and T-Mobile will undoubtedly be good for the companies and their shareholders. AT&T gets T-Mobile's towers and spectrum licenses. It needs the former to relieve network congestion and improve call quality, and seeks the latter to have the bandwidth to roll out its planned 4G, LTE network upgrade.

But AT&T and T-Mobile, spin as they might, will be hard-pressed to argue that this will good for consumers. Because it's smaller, T-Mobile also is scrappier, and has been competing aggressively on two fronts. T-Mobile's pricing is generally lower, which helps keep AT&T and Verizon in check, and it has a reputation for better-than-average service, which sadly is not the norm in the telecommunications business.

You certainly could hope that T-Mobile's philosophy on pricing and its superior customer service would rub off on AT&T in a merger, but I suspect that wish would be about as reliable as an AT&T voice call in downtown San Francisco at rush hour. It's a pretty solid bet that the prices T-Mobile customers are paying now for voice and data would go up, and when they called to complain about it -- or cancel their service -- they'd be left on hold for a long, long time.

But there could be other issues resulting from the merger, and the combining of the AT&T and T-Mobile networks. While both use GSM technology, they operate at different frequencies. AT&T would use T-Mobile's spectrum to expand its deployment of LTE, and this would have implications for T-Mobile customers.


Marguerite Reardon at CNET's Signal Strength blog explains the situation wrote:
While it's true that T-Mobile and AT&T each use GSM technology, the carriers also use different bands of spectrum to deliver their services. Specifically, T-Mobile uses the spectrum it bought in the AWS spectrum auction in 2006 to build its 3G wireless network.
AT&T also acquired spectrum in that auction. And it is using this AWS spectrum to build its LTE network. AT&T uses its 850MHz and 1900MHz spectrum to deliver its 3G service. Part of the reason that AT&T wanted T-Mobile in the first place was to get more of the AWS spectrum for its LTE network.

Meanwhile, T-Mobile has no additional spectrum to deploy LTE, since it's been using the AWS spectrum for its 3G service. What this means is that once AT&T and T-Mobile merge, AT&T will have to move all of T-Mobile's existing 3G customers (which includes the supposed 4G HSPA+ customers) to AT&T's 850MHz and 1900MHz spectrum. This means T-Mobile customers will need new handsets, since the existing T-Mobile 3G HSPA and 4G HSPA+ handsets will no longer work on the AWS spectrum.


The bold emphasis is mine. If Reardon's scenario is correct, T-Mobile's customers will eventually find themselves forced to shell out for new hardware.

AT&T and T-Mobile said Sunday that they expect regulatory and other procedures related to the merger to take at least 12 months. The companies will remain independent until then, according a T-Mobile FAQ on the merger. That means they'll continue to compete and, presumably, continue rolling out their planned 4G network upgrades. Thus, it will be a full year before they can act in tandem, in which time Verizon and Sprint will have made further headway in the 4G race.

Both companies know that regulators may put the kibosh on the deal, though the U.S. Justice Department and the Federal Communications Commission historically have been friendly to telecom mergers. Deutsche Telekom, which is selling T-Mobile USA to AT&T, will get $3 billion as a termination fee if the deal falls through. That's 8 percent of the deal, and The New York Times reports that the norm for such fees is about 5 percent. Clearly, this is a high-risk proposition.

I'd like to see the feds man up here and say no to this deal. It's logical to assume that this merger would force Verizon and Sprint to combine -- both of them use CDMA technology in their networks -- thus reducing the competitive landscape to two major carriers. And about the only upside to that would be that both giants would be moving toward LTE networks, unifying the telecom standard in the U.S. However, we'd have a duopoly, and thus limited choice and competition.

If the FCC and Justice do approve the deal, here's hoping they require the combined entity to take consumer-friendly steps, a suggestion made by The New York Times' Nick Bilton during Sunday night's episode of 'This Week in Tech,' in which I was a panelist. For example, when AT&T and Bell South combined in 2006, the FCC required that AT&T make affordable DSL available. For a while, you could order DSL service for $10 a month in AT&T's 22-state area, which brought a lot of cost-conscious dialup users into the broadband world. The feds could mandate similar actions to hasten the adoption of smartphones, for example.

But I'm not sure even that's worth the damage that will be done to wireless competition. The companies' insist that less will be more, but those who value real competition won't buy that fuzzy math.

Dwight Silverman covers the technology industry for the Houston Chronicle. He can be reached at dwight.silverman@chron.com.


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I think the thing that's most upsetting to me is that it means my contractless plan (and the savings I realize by not having the plan subsidize my phone purchase) is going to go the way of the dodo.

Network, I'm ambivalent on. I live and work just outside TMO's (current) 3G/HSPA+ range, so, crappy as AT&T's congested network is, I'd still probably see a bump in my speed 90% of the time, technically, while a significant slowdown the other 10% of the time (which is, you know, when I actually use wireless network-heavy features). Conversely, I'd be using fewer minutes since I know people on AT*T...

But the seriously competitive price and the freedom from contract? Ugh. Was nice while it lasted. **** you, AT&T.

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You can go no-contract on AT&T too


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The other, more insidious aspect of this merger is that AT&T is Too Big Too Fail.

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You can go no-contract on AT&T too

Hmm. I don't recall being offered the option when I was on them. Does it come with a discount?

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depends on the phone you buy.


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The collective has expanded it's assimilation strategy...

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/fcc- ... les-it-wi/

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FCC halts AT&T's acquisition of Qualcomm spectrum, bundles it with T-Mobile merger review

Resistance is futile...


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Hmm. Won't that make it more likely for the FCC to reject the TMO buyout, though? Bundling the two reviews into one means it's a bigger acquisition and a bigger step towards monopoly, rather than two small ones, right?

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Yay monopolies! :|


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At least I'll get a new phone if the deal goes through :D


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Hmm. Won't that make it more likely for the FCC to reject the TMO buyout, though? Bundling the two reviews into one means it's a bigger acquisition and a bigger step towards monopoly, rather than two small ones, right?


I honestly don't have a good feel for the likelyhood of an approval. It makes zero sense to me how this could possibly be construed as a good thing for anyone except AT&T's bottom line.

The drivel that AT&T is spouting about better coverage for their customers is simply not true. Their plan, once the merger goes through, is to immediately incentivize existing T-Mobile customers to trade in their non-AT&T compatible handsets for handset that work on AT&T's existing crappy iPhone network, then to re-use T-Mobile's spectrum and 4G infrastructure for their mobile broadband expansion. This will take several years mind you. So this is a lose-lose for the foreseeable future for both existing TMO customer and existing AT&T customers.

Edit: and TMO is currently the low price driver in the national market. Regardless of who your current provider is, your plan rates will go up, by some estimates as much as 30%.

My inclination is that there is no way JP Morgan would agree to loan AT&T the $20 BILLION (with a "B") in cash they are going to need to pay DT for T-Mobile if they weren't pretty sure it was going to go through.

Sprint is bleeding customers, and they are right now the primary complainer.

What I think will happen is, much like the Comcast/NBC deal, the deal will be approved, and AT&T will be required to make concessions like handing over some spectrum or roaming agreements to smaller partners, and possibly be forced to provide low cost or free service to low income families (similar to what Comcast had to do after the NBC merger).

Honestly, at this point, with the hemoraging of customers that happened to TMO after the merger was announced, combined with the current economic conditions, I'm not sure how viable T-Mobile would be long term if the deal fell through, even with the $8B and spectrum penalty they would be required to pay.

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At least I'll get a new phone if the deal goes through :D


You will indeed (most likely), and it will be crammed on to AT&T's crappy iPhone network (I hope you don't live in a congested area.. it's not going to be pretty)


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