The Glade 4.0

Nah, I just understand the underlying meaning of this parable.

You can try and teach a pig to sing, but it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

Hey, unlike you, I don't mind considering change in my life if I need it. You got something to say, just bring it. You aren't going to hurt my feelings.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

It wasn't a preexisting condition relative to her health insurance, though.... And it had nothing to do with getting insurance through her employer. It had to do with when she was sick relative to when she was employed for her employer to pay her disability when they hired her knowing she was sick.

He said the insurance company wouldn't cover her based on a preexisting condition, and none of that turned out to be true. Her insurance covered all of her bills according to her policy- that is to say, they covered her with a deductible, as is normal.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

From your own article:


Like I said - that's the story Obama told. She had medical bills and related costs she was worried about paying, and she was denied the insurance coverage to close the gap because she had a pre-existing condition. Bottom line: the dude's mother spent the last few months of her life worrying about medical bills and insurance claims, and he remembers the extra stress that caused. You want to talk character - the people who lack it are the ones who are so hell-bent on hating this guy that they feel the need to nit-pick his choice of language when describing what he and his family were dealing with when his mother was in the final stages of cancer. I mean seriously - who gives a sh*t if it was "disability insurance" or "health insurance"?

Oh, if I have something to say to you, you'll hear about it.

The folks who have to pay for this stupid idea of healthcare he pushed on a country that didn't want it. Do I get to not pay for it if I have a sob story that I get to make up as I go along?

He lied to get what he wanted. I'm pretty sure I'll never find a lib that will say he didn't(even though he did) because defense of the dear leader and the party comes first.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Well I've been wating all day. Man up.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Probably the people voting on whether to pass a "health insurance reform" law.

That story would have been relevant for "disability insurance reform."

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

If someone uses their mother's death from cancer to push their political agenda, I'd say that goes directly to character.
If someone uses their mother's death from cancer to push their political agenda and deliberately doesn't tell the whole story because the whole story wouldn't be germane to the agenda they're pushing, that goes directly to questionable character.

I've never understood the whole idea that people with pre-existing conditions should expect to get insurance.The whole idea of insurance is that you pay in on the chance that you may need it, and those premiums if invested over a long enough period of time, as well as the profits from other people's invested premiums pay for your expenses. The concept of insurance doesn't work if you only need to start paying for it after you've got an illness.

The same goes for disability, even more so. Should I be able to get disability insurance that pays my deductibles and living expenses after I get into a car accident that leaves me with the mental capacity of a 3 year old? Foolishness.

I could, however, get behind a transfer of insured status, once you obtain it, so you don't lose your status when you change carriers

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Ditto, Vindi.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Part of it probably hinges on the definition of pre existing. If, say, i have a genetic condition that i dont know about, get insurance, and then 5 years later it becomes symptomatic... Was it pre-existing?

Don't most insurance agencies require you to get a physical and blood work and stuff before you get insurance(if they don't...shouldn't they?)? How often do genetic conditions just pop up all of the sudden and **** you in the *** anyway?

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"I love this **** team right here."
-Jonathan Quick

If this was really his concern, why didn't he push for disability insurance reform?

He did nothing at all that would have helped his mother in her situation, yet used her as his example of whom he was trying to help. His mother still would have been up ****'s creek.

He lied. Plain and simple.

I'll give you an aid which may help you leap the partisan divide:

George W. Bush Barak Obama lied about WMD's his mother's health insurance in order to push us into war in Iraq health care reform against the will of the people. Other countries were actually the agressor types of insurance were actually at "fault" but that reality didn't match up with the political/personal goals of the President, so he fabricated a story which would tug at the Nation's heart-strings in order to better push his personal agenda.

Helpful?

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I have yet to see anyone getting **** in the *** by a genetic condition, but I hear Coro can fill you in on almost anything involving ****.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Metaphorically speaking, of course.

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Los Angeles Kings 2014 Stanley Cup Champions

"I love this **** team right here."
-Jonathan Quick

I would say no, Sui, that you were acting in good faith. Cases like that would have to be judged on a case by case basis, I believe.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Ok, so let me get this straight. Obama was advocating health insurance reforms that would make it easier for people with pre-existing medical conditions to get their medical expenses paid for and avoid fighting with the insurance company over coverage issues when they're at their most vulnerable. He related a personal story about his mother's experience with precisely that situation, the only difference being that she was dealing with a disability insurer rather than a health insurer. You guys don't see how that's, you know, kind of on point? Do you really think the experience of a sick/dying person trying to get an insurance company to cover her illness-related expenses is meaningfully different depending on whether the coverage would be under a disability policy or a health policy? Like I said, what f-ing difference does that detail make?

Because he used it to discuss how his mother was denied *medical* coverage due to a pre-existing condition... To push through legislation on *medical* care and reform. In fact, she had all of her medical expenses covered, but wanted her company to pay for her living expenses, even though she and they both knew she was sick when they hired her.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

So is this how the term bleeding heart liberal got started?

Out of curiosity, how is that fundamentalism is a poor character trait or even a trait that would preclude Nitefox from understanding something? Is it because there are those who are frequently described as religious fundamentalists and commit unsavory acts?

Rather, fundamentalism should be applauded. It speaks to ones adherence to principle and idea, rather than man, tradition, the pretentious or fashionable.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Disability insurance and Health insurance aren't even similar. They require seperate licensing, are provided by different companies, and have always had different oversight and regulation.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Because her medical expenses were already covered. She was trying to get extra money on top of that.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Genetic conditions which may jump out during your life which I can think of right now...

Type 2 Diabetes
Certain types of cancer
Celiac Disease
hughes syndrome

That's irrelevant to the point of the story, which you guys are still missing. For a sick/dying person, having medical bills (yes, and other living expenses) they can't pay due to their illness and knowing those bills would be covered by their (or their employer's) insurance company if the condition was not deemed pre-existing, is an incredibly stressful, frightening and confusing situation. Obama was relating a story of how his mother felt in that situation, which is exactly the same as a person in that situation with a health insurer would feel. From the sick/dying person's perspective, the fact that disability insurance is subject to somewhat different regulatory oversight is frackin' irrelevant.

How about terminal sexiness. That's my condition.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20