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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:38 pm 
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And you also need to figure out how it sounds when you are raising your voice and barking it sharply. This is likely how you will refer to your dog most of the time.


Totally agree. Our neighbor has a dog named Tucker, which sounds like another rhyming word when said neighbor is hanging his head out the door screaming at the dog.

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Whenever picking a dog's name, you need to figure out what the quick, shortened version of the name is going to be. And you also need to figure out how it sounds when you are raising your voice and barking it sharply. This is likely how you will refer to your dog most of the time.

So while Lady Fozworth Paddington III looks awesome on paper, the dog's real name is "FOZZIE!" And the last name will likely be "GET DOWN!" or "NO!"


Only if you are a bad pet owner.

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Whenever picking a dog's name, you need to figure out what the quick, shortened version of the name is going to be. And you also need to figure out how it sounds when you are raising your voice and barking it sharply. This is likely how you will refer to your dog most of the time.

So while Lady Fozworth Paddington III looks awesome on paper, the dog's real name is "FOZZIE!" And the last name will likely be "GET DOWN!" or "NO!"


Only if you are a bad pet owner.


Nonsense. You don't want the dog to be confused by a difficult name. It should be crisp, clear, and easily understood. And yes, you will yell at your dog.


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If you yell at your dog, you are a bad pet owner. 100% of things dogs do wrong is because of bad owners.

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Raltar wrote:
If you yell at your dog, you are a bad pet owner.


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Horseshit. Barking your dogs name to get its attention is not being a bad pet owner. Such nonsense.

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Horseshit.

1) Dogs do things "wrong" when they don't know better. Unless you can teach your dog not to do any conceivable "wrong", then eventually they'll get into trouble without realizing it's trouble. This is a normal part of learning. That's like suggesting that while housebreaking a dog, if they poop on the floor you're a bad owner. That's nonsense. You just haven't completed the training yet.

2) Training often goes contrary to the dog's natural instincts. For example, you're not a bad pet owner if your dog gets distracted by a squirrel running by. What do you need in this situation? Typically, all you need is a sharp bark of the dog's name, to regain it's attention and focus.

3) To what level must your dog be trained? It is not necessary by any stretch to train your dog to the level where it sits by your side when a squirrel runs by and doesn't glance at it. That's retarded. Not everyone needs that, and it certainly doesn't make you a bad owner to not have your dog's every move controlled.


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Raltar wrote:
If you yell at your dog, you are a bad pet owner. 100% of things dogs do wrong is because of bad owners.



I bark sharply at my dog all the time and I am an extremely good and loving pet owner. Dogs are pack animals and in packs the alpha will bark when he needs to get their attention or retrain their focus. It is the same principle as a "clicker" or Ceasar's "TSST!"

I don't rule with fear or anger. *Those things* are what constitutes a bad pet owner. The yelling from those particular types of owners is just a side-effect. Yelling at your dog because you're angry is stupid and does not help a dog learn.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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If you yell at your dog, you are a bad pet owner.


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Horseshit. Barking your dogs name to get its attention is not being a bad pet owner. Such nonsense.


This isn't yelling at a dog, that is calling him.

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100% of things dogs do wrong is because of bad owners.


Horseshit.

1) Dogs do things "wrong" when they don't know better. Unless you can teach your dog not to do any conceivable "wrong", then eventually they'll get into trouble without realizing it's trouble. This is a normal part of learning. That's like suggesting that while housebreaking a dog, if they poop on the floor you're a bad owner. That's nonsense. You just haven't completed the training yet.



That doesn't disprove what I said. It isn't wrong until they've been taught not to do something, but you don't yell at them or hit them during training. Once they learn, they don't forget. If they are housebroken and sometime later you find that they have gone in the house(which would be considered "wrong" by most people after successful training), that is 100% your fault for not letting them out enough.

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2) Training often goes contrary to the dog's natural instincts. For example, you're not a bad pet owner if your dog gets distracted by a squirrel running by. What do you need in this situation? Typically, all you need is a sharp bark of the dog's name, to regain it's attention and focus.


A properly trained dog will not be distracted by a squirrel. I've trained many hunting dogs that won't move a muscle until I give the word and I have never once yelled at them.

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Numbuk wrote:
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If you yell at your dog, you are a bad pet owner. 100% of things dogs do wrong is because of bad owners.



I bark sharply at my dog all the time and I am an extremely good and loving pet owner. Dogs are pack animals and in packs the alpha will bark when he needs to get their attention or retrain their focus. It is the same principle as a "clicker" or Ceasar's "TSST!"

I don't rule with fear or anger. *Those things* are what constitutes a bad pet owner. The yelling from those particular types of owners is just a side-effect. Yelling at your dog because you're angry is stupid and does not help a dog learn.


This. Growing up on a ranch I yelled commands at my dogs all the time. "Go, move, down, over, back, up, pen 'em!" They respond fine to this when it's part of their work, provided you don't yell when it's over.

The last thing a dog needs is wishy washy hard to understand commands. "Barking" easily understood commands makes doing what you want easier for them, and makes them happy, because they can perform for you.


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That doesn't disprove what I said. It isn't wrong until they've been taught not to do something, but you don't yell at them or hit them during training. Once they learn, they don't forget. If they are housebroken and sometime later you find that they have gone in the house(which would be considered "wrong" by most people after successful training), that is 100% your fault for not letting them out enough.


Uh, that's not the only time dogs go on the floor. Dogs go on the floor when they are 1) not let out enough (bad owner) 2) they get angry or upset (bad owner) 3) sick (not bad owner) 4) excited (not bad owner) 5) old (not bad owner).

You're generalizing.

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2) Training often goes contrary to the dog's natural instincts. For example, you're not a bad pet owner if your dog gets distracted by a squirrel running by. What do you need in this situation? Typically, all you need is a sharp bark of the dog's name, to regain it's attention and focus.


A properly trained dog will not be distracted by a squirrel. I've trained many hunting dogs that won't move a muscle until I give the word and I have never once yelled at them.


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1) A hunting dog =/ a "properly trained dog". You are not a bad owner simply because you don't train your dog to that level.

2) Not all dogs are suitable for hunting dogs. Why? Some breeds are too easily distracted.

3) I don't buy it that your dogs are always, 100% at the top of their game. When they are working, sure, they are focused. No dog is perfectly focused 100% of the time. Nor should they be. What a miserable existence.


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Not all well trained dogs are hunting dogs.

The best trained dogs I know are German Shepherd and something. They know their names, respond to commands, both verbal and hand signals, and their owners use them to help guard some horse property. The horses and dogs are very comfortable around each other.

The only problem I have is that one of them thinks if my hands aren't doing anything and he hasn't been told no recently, I should be petting him. He'll come over and lean on me alternately looking up wistfully and sticking his head under my hands. I'm not the only one he does this to. His 'mom' calls him away and makes him sit down and he looks so guilty.

I'm going to agree with Raltar on a lot of this. Well trained dogs do not need to be yelled at or forced to do much of anything. Bad owners do not train their dogs well.

There is some neutral territory in there.

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My experience has been they will name themselves given time. I tried naming a few after getting them, but a couple of weeks later the name would be something else entirely as their "personality" evolved.

And I've had a lot of experience with this, as I have currently 11 dogs. :oops:

Hope you enjoy the new pup whatever you name her. Dogs are great little companions.


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Wish hubby would let me get another dog...it's been 2 years now since our last dog died and I miss her terribly. :cry:

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We ended up naming her Dakota...no particular reason for the name, we all just liked it. We pretty much call her Kota though.

She's finally house trained and crate trained. We have her ringing a bell on the door to let us know she has to go outside. Our other dog, Rogue, german shepherd, and Dakota get along GREAT. It's fun seeing them play together and Dakota follows Rogue everywhere like she's her mom.

She gets along great with the kids, but the only problem we've been having is the nipping that puppies do but we're workign on it. I'll have to post some more pics soon.


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