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To be perfectly honest, I don't really think that most people who bring guns to Tea Party protests actually intend to make the threat, "do what I want or I'll shoot you."

That's pretty irrelevant, however. What's important is how other people perceive your actions, not your intent. And the perception is definitely that bringing a gun is threatening violence. Remember that things like an assault charge are based on the victim's perception, not your intent. This is no different.


Assault charges are not based on the victim's perception. A victim can claim to perceive anything they want.

Making your message clear is your responsibility, but the perception is not all that is important. People who read things into others' messages because of their own preconceived ideas (exactly what those accusing TP gun toters of violent intent are doing) are at fault, not that of the one carrying the gun.

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To be perfectly honest, I don't really think that most people who bring guns to Tea Party protests actually intend to make the threat, "do what I want or I'll shoot you."

Based on the YouTube videos of police letting loose with the pepper spray and making arrests at OWS, perhaps OWS could use a little implied threat of violence.

It's funny to me that the people complaining about the police state are the ones who AREN'T armed. I mean, that just strikes me as a "duh" moment.

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“It’s time to tax the millionaires!” reads the email, according to WTEN in Albany. “If you don’t, I’m going to pay a visit with my carbine to one of those tech companies you are so proud of and shoot every spoiled Ivy League [expletive] I can find.”



MSM spends hours upon hours condeming this kind of speach from these folks in 3..2...

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1.... never.

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Man, I'd really hate for our country to fall into choas. I suppose if it's gonig to happen, though, it's gonig to happen. *sihg*


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I'll be so mad if these college hipsters cause actual anarchy. I don't think they have it in them, though.


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I'll be so mad if these college hipsters cause actual anarchy. I don't think they have it in them, though.


They couldn't deal with the lack of Starbucks locations for them to sit sipping venti latte macchiatos while typing their political diatribes on their Macbook Pros that real anarchy would cause.

Besides, they'd just end up like the protestors in Les Mis...

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the music of a people
Who will not be slaves again!
When the beating of your heart
Echoes the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes!

Will you join in our crusade?
Who will be strong and stand with me?
Somewhere beyond the barricade
Is there a world you long to see?
Then join in the fight
That will give you the right to be free!!

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the music of a people
Who will not be slaves again!
When the beating of your heart
Echoes the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes!

Will you give all you can give
So that our banner may advance
Some will fall and some will live
Will you stand up and take your chance?
The blood of the martyrs
Will water the meadows of France!

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the music of a people
Who will not be slaves again!
When the beating of your heart
Echoes the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes

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Still, it's not that far fetched that one of these guys is a wacko.

It'd be interesting to know if there's any "incitement of hate" going on at these rallies by any of the speakers. How much of that did we hear about the tea party rallies?


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Still, it's not that far fetched that one of these guys is a wacko.

It'd be interesting to know if there's any "incitement of hate" going on at these rallies by any of the speakers. How much of that did we hear about the tea party rallies?


Its that obvious double standard that irks me. If a Tea party protestors said the carbine bit everyone from Limbaugh to Palin to Boehner would be blamed or called on to denounce it. Do we see the same calls for Reid or Trumpka or Van Jones? Nope just silence.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Still, it's not that far fetched that one of these guys is a wacko.

It'd be interesting to know if there's any "incitement of hate" going on at these rallies by any of the speakers. How much of that did we hear about the tea party rallies?


Its that obvious double standard that irks me. If a Tea party protestors said the carbine bit everyone from Limbaugh to Palin to Boehner would be blamed or called on to denounce it. Do we see the same calls for Reid or Trumpka or Van Jones? Nope just silence.


This doesn't bug me, because I'm relatively sure just about everyone on both sides is batshit insane.

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I'll be so mad if these college hipsters cause actual anarchy. I don't think they have it in them, though.

They'll get bored. Americans aren't made of much nowadays.

Also, whoever runs the Tea Party needs to make sure people don't bring guns to a goddamned peaceful protest. Stupid shits. Things like that really piss me off. Yes, let's go ahead and do what we can to seem like **** loons. Good job. Yeah, he probably doesn't intend to use it, but that's not the point. It's not an appropriate place to bring your rifle, unless you're in the NRA and protresting 2nd Amendment legislation. Even then, peacful protest, don't bring your gun you dumb ****. In the political crap you have to maintain some appearances. The Tea Party isn't a 2nd Amendment group, although I'm sure most of them are for the 2nd Amendment, that's not the reason they've come together. They need to get their **** together or they'll always just be another fringe group.

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The Wall Street protests remind me of this.

"The corporations run the entire world. And now they fooled you into working for them."'

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I wonder how much of the police brutality was brought on by left wing nutjobs acting a fool, and how much was the result of pigs looking for an excuse to swing around their batons.

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I would say it's mostly the first one.

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If a giant melee broke out, it would make some great and timeless footage, considering how many people are standing around with the latest cameras.


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Could be a mixture of both, who knows how many cops shared the first officers' sentiment.


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Well when a cop tells you to move 10 times, and you disregard him, things won't be too fun for you.

You don't have the right to loiter on public roads without a permit. It's that simple. It blocks traffic which is vital to a city.


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Cops should be allowed to beat people for being douchebags.

Might encourage people to be less douchebaggy.

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I wish Napoleon was around so he could give them a whiff of grapeshot.

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While they're blocking traffic, I'm working from home for a corporation which will sell its products all over the world and benefits lots of people (I assume people like fast Internet connections). Who is helping the economy more?

The more I think about these people, the more it pisses me off.


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You've got to be kidding me, that wasn't a beating. More people need to actually get beat with nightsticks so they have a frame of reference.

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Perception is exactly how assault charges work. If a "reasonable person" would interpret the conduct as threatening then it's assault. Your intent is irrelevant. That's also why its so easy to accuse people of stuff like sexual harassment, because if you believe you're being sexually harassed, you pretty much are.


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I am SO glad the things in that list don't have a ghost's chance of passing. What do they mean, "living wage", anyway?


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Xequecal wrote:
Perception is exactly how assault charges work. If a "reasonable person" would interpret the conduct as threatening then it's assault. Your intent is irrelevant. That's also why its so easy to accuse people of stuff like sexual harassment, because if you believe you're being sexually harassed, you pretty much are.


It's threatening that someone will stand on a public road blocking traffic, despite officers telling him to move.


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**** it, just pass all that stuff. Let's see how crazy it gets!

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