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Hey, how do you make excessive weekly conference calls even more idiotic? Decree that they be done with video!


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Nothing worse than trying to control your facial expressions over a video-conference call when people spout off fountains of stupid.

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Nothing worse than trying to control your facial expressions over a video-conference call when people spout off fountains of stupid.

Yeah, I'm rehearsing my poker face. I don't handle stupid well. *sigh*


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Borrow a trick from the lie-detector test people. Keep a thumbtack in your shoe and press your toe into it as needed.

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Yeah, I'm rehearsing my poker face. I don't handle stupid well. *sigh*


TY- Just spit water on the screen and down my shirt.

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No. I DONT have to forgive the person who betrayed my confidence. She was quite happy to end our relationship for more than a year. I don't have to listen to her apologies over her latest round of stupidity simply because she feels guilty this time around.


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I've been messing around with Matlab -- well, Octave really -- trying to reverse engineer exactly how Dr. Neil Krawetz creates his "luminance gradient" analysis images like the one in this blog entry (the second of the three analysis images). This is not an easy task, because I don't know Matlab's syntax or features whatsoever, I have only vague and limited linear algebra knowledge from a good 15+ years ago, and I have only some very basic knowledge of digital signal processing. Fairly fundamental tools like Fourier transforms are still beyond my reach at the moment, for instance.

But I thought, and tinkered, and thought some more, and I eventually stumbled into a solution that was very close but not quite right. I computed the luminance of each pixel by simple average: (R + G + B)/3. Then I subsampled the resulting grayscale image at 3x3. I figured I could compute a vector the center pixel by treating each of the surrounding pixels as a vector (i.e., an "arrow") pointing outward, each with a length equal to their luminance. All I would need to do is separate out the X and Y components with sin/cos and sum them into the resulting vector. So if this is a 3x3 subsample:

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D C B
E . A
F G H

The luminance vector should be:

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Lx=cosd(0)*A + cosd(45)*B + cosd(90)*C + cosd(135)*D + cosd(180)*E + cosd(225)*F + cosd(270)*G + cosd(315)*H
Ly=sind(0)*A + sind(45)*B + sind(90)*C + sind(135)*D + sind(180)*E + sind(225)*F + sind(270)*G + sind(315)*H


Which simplifies down to:

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Lx=A + 0.7071B - 0.7071D - E-0.7071F + 0.7071H
Ly=0.7071B + C + 0.7071D - 0.7071F - G - 0.7071H


Doing this processing with nested for loops in Matlab came up with some not-quite-right-but-close images, but was absolutely slow as balls because of the way that Matlab scripts work (purely interpreted with no JIT compiling, or even loop caching). It would take a couple minutes for it to process just a single 800x600-ish image. So I started poking around in GIMP, trying to see if I could come up with a way to do this operation faster. When I ran into the convolution matrix feature, I realized I had a winner. Lx and Ly were just:

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[ -0.7071     0     0.7071          [ 0.7071     1     0.7071
  -1          0     1        and      0          0     0
  -0.7071     0     0.7071 ]         -0.7071    -1    -0.7071 ]


Googling a bit more, I found that Matlab could also do convolution matrices via the imfilter() function. Ah, hah! No more ridiculously slow for-loops. It was really fast now, but the results still weren't quite the same as Krawetz's. Then I noticed that Matlab's help page for imfilter referenced the fspecial() function, which would prepare various stock filter matrices for you to plug in to the imfilter() command. I looked up the help on fspecial() and sifted through the options. It didn't take long to notice two pre-defined filters called "sobel" and "prewitt".

Sobel:
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[  1  2  1
   0  0  0
  -1 -2 -1 ]


Prewitt:
Code:
[  1  1  1
   0  0  0
  -1 -1 -1]


Sonofa! Yeah, so I just spent 3 or 4 hours more or less reinventing the Sobel and Prewitt operators.

:facepalm:

I don't know whether this should make me feel smart or dumb.

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Hey, how do you make excessive weekly conference calls even more idiotic? Decree that they be done with video!


Oh, sorry, my webcam's busted.

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Hey, how do you make excessive weekly conference calls with video less idiotic?

You show them this website ... and say ...

http://www.polycom.com/

"If you're gonna make me video conference, do it right."

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The technology is not the problem Khross.

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The technology is not the problem Khross.
Do you have any idea what forcing some executive level functionary with the technology skills of a grapefruit to interface with Polycom and their pricing is like? The video conferencing idea simply goes away.

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The technology is not the problem Khross.
Do you have any idea what forcing some executive level functionary with the technology skills of a grapefruit to interface with Polycom and their pricing is like? The video conferencing idea simply goes away.

I've seen this happen.

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The technology is not the problem Khross.
Do you have any idea what forcing some executive level functionary with the technology skills of a grapefruit to interface with Polycom and their pricing is like? The video conferencing idea simply goes away.

Sadly we use Polycom for all of our video and tele-conferencing, so someone here figured it out.

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Hopwin wrote:
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The technology is not the problem Khross.
Do you have any idea what forcing some executive level functionary with the technology skills of a grapefruit to interface with Polycom and their pricing is like? The video conferencing idea simply goes away.
Sadly we use Polycom for all of our video and tele-conferencing, so someone here figured it out.
No, they just agreed to pay. It's not so much as "figuring it out" as it is "agreeing to pay".

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I just got a new drug today...it's got the pain part covered, but don't know about the rest just yet.

Oh, yeah...just got home from the hospital about an hour ago...was in ER from late Tuesday evening until late Tuesday night when they admitted me to the hospital for pancreatitis...again. This time it was much worse than the December episode, and this time I got a referral to the surgeon! Yay!

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Sometimes you try, try, cry and still... Then someone comes along and slaps you in the face and asks you why...it's not meant to be.

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