The Glade 4.0

wow, Pc's that bad over there now?



well we DO have a police/fireman/ambo float every year. Uniforms... Hot!

No anything eXtreme was allowed during the X-Games something or other when all of Congress got free sky-surfing and Judo-Skiing lessons.

I think it was "The Industry stimulation (to the Extreme) of 2005".

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Not so. Was Babylon less sinful than Israel in the days of Jeremiah and Isaiah? Not likely, yet God allowed Babylon to prosper so He could use them as an instrument in His hands. Just because God does not punish every nation the same way at the same time, does not mean God is not working to implement His will.

You think what's happening in the nation today exists in a vacuum? A man I respect greatly said in Bible study on Sunday morning several years ago that he believed the U.S. is not mentioned in Rev. because we'll no longer have the financial ability to be a player in the Middle East at the time of Armeggedon. Several years ago he said it, and look at what's happening now.

I do not believe that we've gotten the Presidents and Congresses we've had over the last few decades by some coincidence. To paraphrase the same man I mentioned: "As our national sin has grown (the 60's, the sexual revolution, and Roe-v-Wade being examples of this), so also God has removed His hand of protection over our nation." We are reaping what we've sown, and people want more of the same.

To paraphrase me, only not so much ...

God is not here. God does not intervene. He watches and waits. The New Covenant is such that Christ asked God to give humanity a chance to do this the right way on their own. It is not Judgment Day. It is not the Sundering. God is not here.

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And if you choose to believe that, it's your choice. Personally, I believe that the best analogy I can think of is a great dam; one small leak here, another there, yet another, each alone hardly noticable, then suddenly the dam will give way and no one will live as they once did. I could be wrong, because I don't believe it's too late. But I also believe that America does not have the will to reverse it. The will to reverse it will not come from gov't, if it comes at all. It will have to come from the people.

Okay. But that raises a question -- if God defines what marriage is, then what business does the government have in defining it at all? Isn't that superfluous at best, and presumptuous at worst?

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

Uh, yeah, no kidding. That's kinda irrelevant to my point. My point was, massive turnout, and ban on gay marriage. I agree that most people won't get off their *** for a vote, but when something else gets them to the polls, they don't want it.

Those that say marriage has nothing to do with religion are being purposefully naive.

Oh, and on the gay pride event thing, I will never, ever, attend an AIDS rally.

Because at some point the powers-that-be realized that marriage is a contributor to stable society, which is beneficial to the nation. Somewhere along the road, we've forgotten that, with liberal divorce laws and such. Just as God established marriage, He also states clearly, "I hate divorce."

More and more, we see people living together without benefit of marriage; it has little value. We slaughter our unborn by the millions; life has little value. Muggers punch 100 year old ladies in the face for a few dollars. Government takes from the productive so they can buy votes from the unproductive. I could go on and on, each part being one more leak in the dam. Each leak hardly noticed, applauded in some circles, yet each one contributing to the demise of the dam.

And even though I responded to this in a different way a few posts ago, I would be remiss if I failed to mention that according to Revelation, all the nations do end up in the crapper in the Tribulation.

Yes, it is so. We are not in that era anymore. You keep assuming that God is working His will in the same way as He did in the Old Testament, when He quite clearly planned all along to abandon the "chosen people" method and open things up to everyone. God abandoned concern for nations with Christ. That was the will he was working to implement throughout all that OT stuff you're talking about. That's all done now.

Back then He sent prophets with warnings to one specific nation and the actions he took were in terms of that nation. There are no prophets now, and that nation exists only as a scattered people and a namesake nation on roughly similar land. The OT times are over; God is at a different point in His plan.



This is a guy you respect greatly? Aside from the fact that by trying to tie our current financial situation to the end times you're forgetting that no one knows the day or hour but the father, the vast majority of nations are not mentioned in Revelation either. Where are Britain, France,Germany, Japan, Russia, China, South Korea, Argentina, Mexico, Iceland, Canada, Australia?

Obviously it must be for something other than his aility to read and understand Scripture that you respect him because that claim is asinine. Not only that but it's irrelevant to my point that all nations are sinful and so therefore all should be failing. You might respond that that's why none are mentioned in Revelation, but there's no particular reason to think that's the case either.



When was the hand of God's protection over our nation and how has it been removed? This man apparently is simply viewing the past as some rose-colored fantasy. Is he not aware of how Indians were treated? Slavery? The treatment of workers during the Industrial Revolution?

This nation is no better and no worse than any other. Claiming that "sinful nations get punished" is silly; all it does is result in these claims where any negative cycle is seen as a sign of the end times or punishment, or the removal of a "Hand of Protection" or whatever. People, and therefore nations, are always sinful. There's little reason to think God spends His time meting out punishments and blessings as if He were Santa Claus; even the punishments you cite were really just to bring about the situation for Christ to appear and to make it clear why He was needed.



Well, duh. What need will there be for them after that?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

That's not true. That's impossible!

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Did marriage exist before organized religion?

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Since we have OT examples of God punishing nations, and NT predictions of nations being punished, I advise we err (if we must err) on the side of caution. Why go out of our way to tempt God?

Psalm 2:

You really want to tempt God? Be my guest, if you're that foolish. "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' "

First of all, where is the proof that this happened at all? Second of all, do you really want to imply that gays are just a giant fountain of rage waiting to explode in riot if alleged gay men are arrested for allegedly having sex in public?

OH NOS!!!!! SEX!!!! WITH MENS!!! ARRRRGHH!!!! If we don't stop the homosexuals, it'll be nothing but wall-to-wall mano y mono sexcapades from here till judgement day! Leather futures will go through the roof! Matching curtain sets will be flung from IKEAs everywhere! It'll be paaaaaandemonium!!! But Gay!!!

Edit - Aaaaaaand Bery with the dire warnings that god will spank us for establishing marriage equality. Thank you for the warning, I'll take my chances.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Which would be fine, if it were really a case of "I'll take my chances". But it's not; you're willing to put 200+ million people in that position, including me and my family. Therefore I stand opposed, and will remain so.

So wait. If I sin, you and your family is punished as well?

No one is saying gay people are a frothing fountain of rage. What's being implied is those who over-zealously champion the "rights" of gays (whatever that means, since gay people are also people, there's no such thing as "gay rights" anymore than there is "black rights" or "disabled rights") react with pre-emptive anger, name-calling, finger-pointing and howling.

And look what you did you your second paragraph there. Wow, what a fine example. It's like you are trying to prove his point for him.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Screeling says he saw photos of the event. So are you saying that Screeling is lying, or are you saying that the photos are fake? What reasoning do you have for this assertion?

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Of course not. I'm looking at Biblical precedent. Israel sinned, Israel was punished. The people who were citizens of Israel at that time all took the fall. There were undoubtedly folks who were right with God who were spared the worse of it, but even then, life for them was radically different than they were used to: captive in Babylon, or fleeing to Egypt. No one in Israel came out of that experience unaffected.

Agreed. Aside from the sex pictures, there was also two guys walking around where one guy was using the other guy's hand as underwear.

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The Dude abides.

I don't see how that is relevant at all.

Did decorated trees exist before they were used to celebrate Christmas? Does that mean Christmas trees have nothing to do with Christmas?

FYI: In New Hampshire, the only place I could find statistics quickly, 54% of wedding held were in churches. That's a majority of married couples, in a moderately liberal state (I hypothesize this percentage is higher in redder states). To suggest that marriage and religion are not connected is, as I said before, naive.

Anti-religious fervor is a sign of likely intelligence, because religion is far worse than Aizle makes it out to be.

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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No, but there is a gay agenda....

Arathain:

Except, marriage and religion have no inherent connection to each other, just as the state and marriage have no inherent connection. Institutions of authority have appropriated the mating relationship. Why is that?

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