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I haven't verified this, but someone told me that buckyballs.com is having a 45% off sale. Just use the coupon code "SUCKITGROUPON".

I did a quick Google search of that code, and it turned up some broken links to woot.com, so not really sure what's going on.


SUCKITGROUPON code confirmed. I just used it to order a set of balls and a set of cubes. Thanks, Midgen.


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Bucky Balls Founder was on Rush Limbaugh today. It was interesting interview. He struck me as a pretty reasonable but determined guy. He wasn't over the top, or accusatory, despite his interview and audience. Basically the CPSC hasn't given him much info as to why this is going on, refuses to provide him documents and the like. He also points out that incidents per sale are way smaller than a lot of other products, including those specifically marketed to children. He says the web sales have been crazy since the distributors were shut down as well. I'd go link digging, but I'm too lazy.

Also I think it's strange that they don't seem willing to do any kind of compromise, even one that would kill profitability. It's simply: No you have to go out of business. That almost makes me want to buy into Coro's theory.

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That almost makes me want to buy into Coro's theory.


I'm really curious to hear what possible political gain people think the Obama campaign might get out of this.

It seems really just obvious that this is a couple of hardcore "save the children" people in leadership positions that have an axe to grind.


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I said almost. Pardon my cross-contamination, but why does a Chicago Mayor want to ruin a chicken sandwich magnate? It might be to pander to votes, but a lot more people identify as Christian than gay, so it seems it a lousy strategy. I think the answer is: So the next one will think twice before the crosses the line and thinks outside the way he wants.

You'd think as bad as things are we'd want every job we can get, but we say no to pipelines and magnet factories and fast food restaurants that disagree with our ideology. Instead we say yes to our political buddies and their gone belly up solar companies.

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I'm really curious to hear what possible political gain people think the Obama campaign might get out of this.


Intimidating conservative small business owners from donating to Romney?

Just a thought. No one really knows whats going on.

I suspect it's probably just typical nanny state government asshats doing what they do best.


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Aizle wrote:
I'm really curious to hear what possible political gain people think the Obama campaign might get out of this.


The only balls that could clank would belong to the POTUS and his campaign?

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It's dirty politics. A Republican put out of business is a Republican who can't make a campaign contribution in 2016, when Obama's second term expires and the country is set to decide which party will control the White House for eight years.

And yes, I said eight and not four, and have also assumed Obama will win re-election. If you'll bother to look, more presidents have won re-election than have lost it.

I know we like to think "that sort of thing" can't happen here, but it can, and it does. There is nothing at all special or unique about American society which makes us more moral and ethical than the rest of the world. There's also nothing unique or special about the American people such that "we wouldn't allow that sort of thing" to happen. We would, we do, and in fact, we cheer it on. Notice Chick Fill-A - we want to boycott them because of the owner's beliefs, not because of the owner's shady business practices. They're not Walmart allegedly driving out local businesses or paying their employees substandard wages. The boycott is simply to make the owner shut his mouth and deprive him of his livelihood because he dared to oppose gay marriage. It's not just the liberals, either. I can't begin to tell you the number of flyers I've seen in rural areas encouraging people to boycott some company or another because the owner is allegedly a devil-worshipper.

The citizens of the United States are not enlightened, they are not brave, and they do not love freedom. They most certainly do not support to the death your right to say things they disagree with. We are petty, cowardly, and despotic just like everyone else the world over. The citizens of the United States are, like everyone else, flawed human beings capable of great heroism, and great villainy. Why has the myth of America, land of the free and home of the brave endured? The answer is the keen insight of our founding fathers. They understood, in ways future generations have not, a very simple truth that they plainly stated when they founded their new nation: All men are created equal.

1) Those who rule are men, and as such, are no better than any other men.
2) The American people are men, and as such, are no better than any other men.

No matter what titles are bestowed, or what flag people gather around, there will always be those who wish to be lords over their fellow man. There are no depths of depravity to which they will not sink to obtain such lordhood or to keep it. To deprive them of such power, the authority of government within the United States was explicitly limited.

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Is there any evidence out there that the owner is a conservative or a republican donor? Honestly if that does come out that this guy is some Romney supporter or something, this could get interesting. It will look like Obama using the power of government to put those who support his opponent out of business, costing America jobs in the process.


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Seriously what?

What lawyer speak can you use to justify what the CPSC is trying to do here?

There is no rational explanation, so all we have left is the irrational.


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I'm not saying for a fact this is polictically motivated only that

1. the facts don't add up.

2. It certainly fits in with the Chicago Way.

Which one of those points are you taking facepalmage over?

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Boy, I sure am glad people crawled my **** when I pointed out the idiotic, partisan, and goofy-as-hell "Obama administration" line authorial criticism in the original article. Otherwise the discussion might have taken a wild turn into "crazy conspiracy whackadoo" territory.

We dodged a bullet there, I tell ya.


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Seriously, guys?


Do you deny what I'm saying? You don't think the media will have a field day if it does come out that he is a Romney contributor or something? Perception is reality.


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Boy, I sure am glad people crawled my **** when I pointed out the idiotic, partisan, and goofy-as-hell "Obama administration" line authorial criticism in the original article. Otherwise the discussion might have taken a wild turn into "crazy conspiracy whackadoo" territory.

We dodged a bullet there, I tell ya.


nice....

I'm still waiting for a plausible explanation for what the CPSC is doing....

Anyone?


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I fail to see how the use of government power to put a company out of business to deprive "the other team" of campaign funding is a conspiracy theory. It's dirty politics. This type of stuff actually happens. This is what government officials do with their power.

It's just that some of us have bought into the naive idea that we as a nation are "better" than that.

I'm sorry, guys. We're not. We display the same malicious cruelty as everyone else on the planet.

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I'm still waiting for a plausible explanation for what the CPSC is doing....

It's really simple: regulators gonna regulate. What's so implausible about an agency tasked with consumer protection getting all busy-bodyish about this sort of thing, particularly when you have a few news stories about kids getting hospitalized by a product that's potentially more harmful than people realize? It's totally standard operating procedure; no conspiracy required.

And beyond that, how frackin' stupid and useless would it be for Obama's campaign team, let alone Obama himself, to push the agency to do this for political reasons? Romney and his supporters already have hundreds of millions of dollars to spend, this Buckeyball guy (assuming he's even a Republican) is at best a drop in the bucket, and there's zero chance of other donors being intimidated out of donating by this.

So, (i) overly nanny-statish, but totally consistent with the SOP for an agency whose whole reason for existing is to regulate potentially harmful consumer products, (ii) no meaningful political upside for Obama, and (iii) an obviously huge downside if it were revealed as dirty politics...ergo, ya'll get a double facepalm.


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What I'm saying is that the incident rate is pretty minuscule, even for the CSPC, so that causes me to speculate if there isn't some kind of cronyism involved. It might not go directly to the big O and it might not have anything to do with political leanings. My first thought really was didn't they get into it with some other company that was making magnets to the point where they went out of that business.

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Aegnor wrote:
Do you deny what I'm saying? You don't think the media will have a field day if it does come out that he is a Romney contributor or something? Perception is reality.

Oh, if all you're saying is that this could turn into a media thing for a news cycle or two, then sure. Populist-right media folks push the idea, it churns on the blogs for a while, then CNN starts running a meta-story about the story, just "covering the controversy", some reporter asks Obama's press secretary, who scoffs at the idea, the blogs keep churning for another week or so, and then when the page clicks drop off, they move on to the next manufactured nonsense story. We've certainly seen that pattern often enough that I don't deny the possibility of it happening here. I'm just facepalming over the suggestion that there's any actual merit to the claim.


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Aegnor wrote:
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Seriously, guys?


You don't think the media will have a field day if it does come out that he is a Romney contributor or something? Perception is reality.



No. If it came out he was a Romney contributor and this was done as some kind of partisan politics game...the MSM would bury it for as long as they could.

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FarSky wrote:
Boy, I sure am glad people crawled my **** when I pointed out the idiotic, partisan, and goofy-as-hell "Obama administration" line authorial criticism in the original article. Otherwise the discussion might have taken a wild turn into "crazy conspiracy whackadoo" territory.

We dodged a bullet there, I tell ya.



Poor Farsky!

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I don't think there is anything more behind this other than probably a few overly pro-active parents....possibly one or two of the parents of children who have swallowed these things and are placing blame elsewhere and might happen to have found just the right set of ears in order to set this ban in motion.

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http://www.theonion.com/articles/fun-to ... -kids,290/

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August 16, 2000 | ISSUE 36•28

WASHINGTON, DC–In cooperation with the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, Wizco Toys of Montclair, NJ, recalled 245,000 Aqua Assault RoboFighters Monday after three dumb kids managed to kill themselves playing with the popular toy, ruining the fun for everybody else.

"The tragedy is inconceivable," Wizco president Alvin Cassidy said. "For years, countless children played with the Aqua Assault RoboFighter without incident. But then these three retards come along and somehow find a way to get themselves killed. So now we have to do a full recall and halt production on what was a really awesome toy. What a waste."

"My mom won't let me play with my RoboFighter because of those dumb kids who died," said 10-year-old Jeremy Daigle of Somerville, MA. "I used to set up army guys around the RoboFighter and have it run over them and conquer Earth for the Zardaxians. But now I'll never see it again, all because three stupid idiots had to go and wreck everything."


Each of the deaths was determined to be the result of gross misuse of the toy, an incredibly cool device that could shoot both plastic missiles and long jets of water, as well as maneuver over the ground on retractable wheels.

The first death occurred June 22, when 7-year-old Isaac Weiller of Grand Junction, CO, died after deliberately firing one of the spring-loaded plastic missiles into his left nostril. The missile shot into his sinuses, shattering the roof of his nasal cavity and causing a massive brain hemorrhage.

Shortly before dying, Weiller told emergency medical personnel at St. Luke's Medical Center that he had shot the missile into his nose in the belief that it would travel through his body and out his belly button.

"I've heard some pretty stupid **** in my time, but that has to take the cake," said Dr. Anderson Hunt, the attending physician. "Why would any kid think he could fire plastic missiles up his nose and expect them to come out his belly button? There's no point in feeling bad about this child's demise, because the deck was obviously stacked against him from the start. What we should feel bad about is the fact that because of him, millions of other children will no longer get to fire the RoboFighter's super-cool Devastator Missiles or soak their friends with its FunFoam WaterBlasters."

Less than one month after Weiller's death, 5-year-old Danielle Krug fatally suffocated on fragments of the toy after repeatedly smashing it with a claw hammer in the garage of her parents' La Porte, IN, home.

"I'm not kidding," said Dianne Ensor, an emergency-room nurse at Our Lady Of Peace Hospital in La Porte, where Krug was pronounced dead. "She thought the broken shards were candy. That's what you'd assume after breaking a plastic, inedible toy, right? Absolutely ****."

Joshua Schatzeder of Grand Rapids, MI, is forced to play with a boring little fire truck as a result of the recall.

The third and arguably stupidest death occurred August 12, when 11-year-old dumbass Michael Torres held the RoboFighter above his head and jumped off the balcony of his family's third-story Torrance, CA, apartment, thinking he would be able to fly like Superman.

"A couple of my fellow emergency workers thought we should cut the kid some slack, because at least he wasn't trying to eat the toy or shove it up his nose," said paramedic Debra Lindfors, who tried in vain to revive Torres. "I considered this for a while, but then I decided no. No way. If you're 11 years old, you should know that it's impossible to fly. And poor Wizco's probably going to go bankrupt because of this ****."

As a result of the extreme idiocy of the three children, the CPSC was forced to order Wizco to stop making the toy and remove it from store shelves, as well as recommend that parents remove it from their homes.

"I know the overwhelming majority of American kids who owned an Aqua Assault RoboFighter derived many hours of safe, responsible fun from it," CPSC commissioner Mary Sheila Gall said. "But, statistically speaking, three deaths stemming from contact with a particular toy constitutes an 'unreasonable risk.' Look, I'm really sorry about this. Honestly. But our agency's job is to protect the public from hazardous products, even if those who die are morons who deserved what they got."

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Haha...that's good stuff.

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I fail to see how the use of government power to put a company out of business to deprive "the other team" of campaign funding is a conspiracy theory. It's dirty politics. This type of stuff actually happens. This is what government officials do with their power.

It's just that some of us have bought into the naive idea that we as a nation are "better" than that.

I'm sorry, guys. We're not. We display the same malicious cruelty as everyone else on the planet.


Your definition of malicious cruelty leaves a great deal to be desired. We may not be inherently better human beings than anyone else on the planet, but despite the faults of this country, we're doing a considerably better job than most. But by all means, emigrate to Iran, or whatever Zaire is calling itself these days, or hell, even Russia. I'm sure you'll discover things are do different whatsoever.

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