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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2chambers/post/bills-would-make-olympic-medals-tax-exempt/2012/08/01/gJQA1uF8PX_blog.html

Apparently there is a bill trying to be passed that would stop medalists from being taxed on their winnings, which includes the current tax for the value of the metal in the medal itself.

It never occurred to me that they would be taxed on their medals to begin with, let alone any monies they won.

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Did you know that U.S. athletes owe taxes any time they win a medal? Republican lawmakers — clearly seizing on Olympic fever and general displeasure with the tax code — want to change that.

After winning gold in London, an Olympic athlete also stands to earn a $25,000 honorarium. Silver medalists receive $15,000 and bronze medalists are slated to leave London with a $10,000 payday. Current U.S. tax law requires athletes to add the value of medals and honorariums to their taxable income — just as any winning game show contestant would have to pay taxes on a new car or toaster oven.

But Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Rep. Blake Farenthold (R-Tex.) introduced legislation Wednesday that would exempt American medal-winning gymnasts, rhythmic gymnasts, swimmers, divers, synchronized divers, runners, cyclists or water polo players from paying taxes on their Olympic winnings.

Farenthold, who calls his bill the Tax Exemptions for American Medalists Act — or TEAM Act — said his measure “will remove another needless tax on the exceptional American athletes who represent our nation on the world’s stage. Our Olympic athletes embody the American spirit and give hope to all who watch them compete on behalf of the red, white and blue.”

In touting his Olympic Tax Elimination Act, Rubio called the tax code “a complicated and burdensome mess that too often punishes success.” He said imposing taxes on Olympic athletes “is a classic example of this madness” and that they “shouldn’t have to worry about an extra tax bill waiting for them back home.”

The legislation comes in response to a study by Americans for Tax Reform, led by anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist, that estimated that Americans medal winners would face a top income tax rate of 35 percent. The rate was calculated by adding the honorarium to the estimated price of the medal. Current commodity prices value a gold medal at roughly $675, a silver medal at about $382 and a bronze medal at under $5, according to ATR.

While the bills may earn favorable political support, the legislation won’t be considered until after the month-long August recess, long after most Americans stop caring about the Olympics.

And remember — any medal-earning athlete who scores an endorsement deal will still need to pay taxes on those earnings.

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*sigh* Yet another Republican policy aimed at helping the top 0.1%. A more just approach would be to tax those medalists more and use the proceeds to help athletes who didn't even qualify for the Olympics pay for some extra training. Otherwise, the gap between medalists and non-medalists is just going to keep growing.


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Apparently, we are the only country that does this.

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*sigh* Yet another Republican policy aimed at helping the top 0.1%. A more just approach would be to tax those medalists more and use the proceeds to help athletes who didn't even qualify for the Olympics pay for some extra training. Otherwise, the gap between medalists and non-medalists is just going to keep growing.



Yeah my internet sarcasm meter finally worked!

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It should only be tax free if they win the gold.

Run faster, *****.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
It should only be tax free if they win the gold.

Run faster, *****.


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Uncle Fester wrote:
RangerDave wrote:
*sigh* Yet another Republican policy aimed at helping the top 0.1%. A more just approach would be to tax those medalists more and use the proceeds to help athletes who didn't even qualify for the Olympics pay for some extra training. Otherwise, the gap between medalists and non-medalists is just going to keep growing.



Yeah my internet sarcasm meter finally worked!


/sigh Mine was broken... I read RDs post and said "Dude really?"

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Funny, I read RD's post and recognized the guiding philosophy for most Democrats and their supporters, right down to demonizing the Republican party.

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Eh, seems to me this would only make the tax code more complicated, not less complicated. I mean, I understand the sentiment, but it seems silly to start making exceptions for everyone who "deserves" their money or whatever.

Not to mention it's just a waste of time. I'm sure it will cost far more to debate this bill, pass it, and implement it than it would save the athletes.


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Why only those sports?

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First of all, I think it's pretty stupid to tax olympians on their winnings when they're representing our country to the world... Secondly, why do the judo practitioners, marksmen, archers, volleyball players, etc., get **** sideways on this deal? Their sports are just as valid.


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Because who the **** cares about fencing, right?

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Elmarnieh wrote:
Why only those sports?

Because they did it for the country comrade!

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The way I read it, those were examples of sports where the U.S. commonly wins medals, not that only those sports would get exemptions.

As for the actual tax, not taxing Olympians would have a trivial effect on the complexity of the tax code. I don't have a problem with taxation on the cash winnings; when added into their total income most athletes are probably not rich enough that they really get taxed on that much of it anyhow after their accountant gets to work.

Taxing them on the value of the medal, on the other hand, is dirty and cheap. That ought to be fixed

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Anything but a flat tax is simply pandering to one group or another. If taxing is supposed to be about revenue, than it should be fairly level. We shouldn't be singling out Olympians. If I went on The Price is Right and won a $40,000 car, i'd be taxed on the value.

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Diamondeye wrote:
The way I read it, those were examples of sports where the U.S. commonly wins medals, not that only those sports would get exemptions.


But we commonly win medals in everything. The U.S. has more total medals than the second and third place countries (Soviets and Germans) combined.


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Tax the cash winnings? - Yes, it's income.
Tax the value of the medal? - **** off, government.


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Lenas wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
The way I read it, those were examples of sports where the U.S. commonly wins medals, not that only those sports would get exemptions.


But we commonly win medals in everything. The U.S. has more total medals than the second and third place countries (Soviets and Germans) combined.


Hence my use of the term "examples".

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You're right, it's just a poorly written article. Here's the bill: http://farenthold.house.gov/images/stor ... d_Bill.pdf


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Lenas wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
The way I read it, those were examples of sports where the U.S. commonly wins medals, not that only those sports would get exemptions.


But we commonly win medals in everything. The U.S. has more total medals than the second and third place countries (Soviets and Germans) combined.


Wow. I never knew that Norway OWNS the winter Olympics.


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How could you not figure that? There's an event basically named "Here's medals for Norway".

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Lenas wrote:
But we commonly win medals in everything. The U.S. has more total medals than the second and third place countries (Soviets and Germans) combined.
Notice that the Soviet Union, which now no longer exists, has 1,000 medals in 9 Olympic games. The United States does well, but much of their success is based on having sent athletes to all but one Olympiad. Several countries average more medals per Olympiad.

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IMO an average of ~38 golds per Olympiad spread over 25 appearances is a bit more impressive than ~44 golds avg. over 9 appearances.


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But we commonly win medals in everything. The U.S. has more total medals than the second and third place countries (Soviets and Germans) combined.
Notice that the Soviet Union, which now no longer exists, has 1,000 medals in 9 Olympic games. The United States does well, but much of their success is based on having sent athletes to all but one Olympiad. Several countries average more medals per Olympiad.

We call that "stamina."

As for Norway -- well, yeah. They have the unfair advantage of warping space and time (or just climate or geography, take your pick) to gain a training schedule advantage on basically every other nation in the world. What did you expect? That's like being surprised that desert countries in Africa produce all the fast runners. When your entire country is a natural track and filled with warlords who want to kill you...

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How could you not figure that? There's an event basically named "Here's medals for Norway".


Its mostly because the Winter Olympics are: Skating, Sledding and Skiing.

And they're all variations on those three themes.

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