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I suppose you could just not put anything on the 'desktop' (although i've not tried that).

Keep in mind, Win8 has two completely different interfaces and you're looking at the tablet-centric one. That's not actually the "desktop" at all. Here's a picture of the desktop side-by-side with the interface formerly known as "Metro":

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I hope the legacy desktop is completely gone in the next version of Windows.

That still just looks like it's going to be SO cumbersome to use with a mouse and keyboard. Tablet, sure, great, but mouse and keyboard enables MUCH more precision, you don't need fisher price's my-first-pc buttons.

This.

Their tiles sucked on windows phone, it sucks even more on a desktop, this stupid tablet craze needs to stop cause it's causing non-tablet stuff to get **** up because of it, if i want a tablet interface I'll get a tablet, on my desktop/laptop I want a computer interface, not a cluttered mess of tiles in random colors that make it look like it was designed by Bozo the clown.

Yeah, that's immediately apparent with the sky-high user satisfaction.


I guess so, if you absolutely hate easily accessible... well... everything.


On one hand I'm a bit surprised because you have UMPC's that you love to talk about as well as a tablet in your car. On the other, I'm not surprised at all because I'm pretty sure you have a soul pact with Windows XP and probably wish we all still had to use it.

Lenas can you drop the Winboner and let other people have opinions too?

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I could. But I wont. Win8 has performed better than any previous version of Windows on my systems and I'll say it just like I did with Windows 7. To get hung up on a irrelevant cosmetic differences is silly. My daily driver is a still Mountain Lion on a Mac so it's not exactly a raging boner. Sas is the one with a never (ever) changing opinion. I'm just trying to be excited about a new, well-performing product.

Fabulous, could you spare the rest of us and just get all up in your family's face about how awesome it is and what **** they are for not upgrading to the beta and loving it for being the newest greatest thing ever in the history of amazing?

Seriously are you on commission for Microsoft? First it was Windows phones, then Smartglass followed up by Surface with a steady stream of Win8 4 teh win throughout.

As for silly cosmectic difference... A GUI built on a shitty GUI is a shitty GUI.

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I'm not in anyone's face about anything. Just because you can cherrypick some posts in your head about me talking up MS products doesn't make me a fanboy. Have you missed all my posts and threads about OS X? Anything Mac related? How about my posts on Kindle and Android? This is a tech forum, what do you expect here? I look into and talk about new stuff.

If anyone has opinions based on actual experience with the final build I'm happy to discuss pros and cons. When people come into the thread saying the new design looks like crap and that they wish they could get rid of all the tiles and have a clear desktop... Guess what? You can! You'd know that if you tried it before dismissing it.

Back on topic: Surface RT rumored to ship at $199

True.

But I doubt it'll be long before MS decides that noone would ever really *want* to disable their tablet interface on a desktop.

Because why do all that work for people to just turn it right the **** off?

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Holy shitsnacks!

Maybe it is more or less the tone of your responses to everything that is jarring.

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Hopwin, giving Lenas **** about him promoting Win 8 is rather disingenuous. In fact you are giving him **** for doing exactly the same thing YOU are doing.. Complaining about how someone else is complaining.

I'd be willing to bet that Lenas has spent more time with Win 8 than anyone else in this thread, and maybe all of us combined.

I've spent probably a total of 30 minutes with Win 8, and I knew you could remove the tiles from the desktop.

People are judging it based on screenshots they see online are just spewing uninformed BS.

I think the reason I defend it pretty vehemently is because I feel like a lot of people have made snap judgements about it without using it and that just seems unfair to me. I'll tone it down, though. It wasn't my intent to make this an argumentative thread and I apologize for that.

I couldn't care less about the Windows 8 UI. I don't find Metro to be particularly attractive on a desktop interface, but as has been said, it can be mitigated.

What really bothers me about Windows 8 is the notion of the OS manufacturer making and pushing a walled garden. It just gives me very bad vibes about the kinds of things they might want to do in the future, and that gives me pause. I mean, it's not like Microsoft has *ever* gotten into any hot water about anti-trust business practices, right? They'd never leverage their install-base to push competing products off the market, would they?

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The "people" have spoken, though. The iOS and Android markets have been a resounding success whether we like it or not. I'm not gonna lie, I appreciate that I can update all my software through the App Store in OS X now. One of the most important things to note here, and this is something I don't think Microsoft is making apparent enough, is that all of these future applications will be able to run on phones, tablets and the desktop using the same code base. It's pretty sweet for developers, really.

I can't really fault Microsoft for wanting to add another level of quality assurance on applications their users are going to be getting. What remains to be seen, though, is whether or not they lock their store down as tightly as Apple has, or if they'll let people do their own thing like Android does.

I'm torn between liking Metro as an aesthetic (though I prefer it when it's more text-heavy than cluttered with the tiles) and finding it nigh-unusable on the Xbox 360 UI. I can (theoretically, as I don't actually run it on a tablet or computer) see how it would more easily be navigated using a touch interface, or even a keyboard and mouse. But I frankly hate the 360 UI now, to the point that the only reason I even turn it on anymore is for HBOGo.

A great deal of that is its "widget-y" nature coupled with the complete lack of customizability (for instance, the only thing for which I use the 360 anymore is HBOGo...so why the **** do I have to have a one-click app shortcut for **** UFC or whatever the hell it is on my dashboard? Why do I have to go all the way over to "apps" (not "video," which would make sense), then open "Apps," THEN hunt for the HBOGo app, when there are one-click shortcuts right there, cluttered with ads (hey Microsoft, I PAY for Xbox Live...cut that **** out) and crap that I do not nor will I ever need.

Most of my frustration is with its 360 implementation, and for that I'm unable to give it a fair shake. As I said, I like it aesthetically, and theoretically I like it in use...but in practice, in the only venue through which I can experience it currently, it stinks.

Skee, I can't really talk about it, but some of your problems with the 360 interface might be going away with the next update.

That would be great...though I have to admit, because of all of the tiles and widget-ness of the Win8 interface, and its current 360 implementation, visions of constant advertisements on my PC desktop dance in my head. Logically, I don't believe it will happen...but advertising dollars make mice of the strongest men.

There are some ads in the MS store (mostly for under-populated sections) but you definitely don't need to worry about them on the desktop, lol

....And their almost non-existent user base and falling smartphone market share from that near non-existent number.



You call it easy access, I call it cluttered and messy, I don't want all my programs permanently sitting there all over my desktop for the same reason I don't want all my dishes sitting all over my kitchen counter, I want them nicely sorted into their cabinets out of sight except when I want to use them. And it's even worse with all those stupid colored icons and that all non-Microsoft programs just have big colored blocks instead of icons representing the program they are for.



UMPC /= tablet, it's a windows computer which I use with a keyboard and mouse. Yes, I did have a tablet in my old car, mainly because in terms of interface for playing music and GPS android is simply superior to any purpose built aftermarket car headunit, though currently since I got a new car the tablet has been collecting dust and hasn't been turned on in over a month. Nope, I haven't used XP in ages, all four of my computers including the UMPC are running windows 7, I had no issues with upgrading to that. Windows 7 is a computer interface just with added features and graphically enhanced, they didn't fundamentally change the whole way the OS works to match what is ideal on another form factor computing device like Metro is. Metro is a tablet OS and has no place being the default option for a standard (non-touchscreen) computer.

Now if they did the intelligent thing akin to what what Google did with Android ice cream sandwich where the OS has the interface for two different form factor devices (smartphone & tablet) and the appropriate interface is defaulted for the device that it's installed on then I wouldn't have any issues with Windows 8, but a tablet interface doesn't belong on a desktop computer.

As much as I love my Android devices, I'm eagerly anticipating the full integration of my work and home desktops, my smarthone and tablet application functionality. I hope it's done well. I expect there will be some bumps in the road.

I haven't used the UI formerly known as "Metro" enough to know if I like it or not. So many people have stuck a fork in it with nothing but screenshots and other peoples opinions of those screenshots as evidence. Personally, I'm going to actually try using it in daily application before I decide what I think of it.

Late Oct/Early Nov can't come soon enough for me.

I guess this is where my confusion lies. You know that you can do that, right? You can have ZERO tiles if you want and launch things with keyboard shortcuts straight from start. Or you can type to open something any time. Or you can search ANY time. You know that those tiles can be controlled just like desktop icons, right? Except these are resizable and try to show you important information.

I'm not sure what you mean by "colored blocks instead of icons representing the program they are for". The tiles aren't created by Microsoft, they're made by the developers, and they can look like whatever the developer wants them to look like.

Can you tell me what program this tile is for?
Conversely, can you tell me what program this icon is for?

If you don't wanna use em, fine, that's great. But there's no way you can try to say that 32px icons are more informative or better designed for a user than the tiles.

QFT

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PSA: I just discovered that forcing anisitropic texture filtering on my Radeon settings (Darksiders 2 doesn't have the option) will also apply to the Tiles desktop, making all your labels blurry.