The Glade 4.0

Rafael:

It's a measure of peak practical DPS.

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it's the only really useful place for measuring DPS (apart from the target dummies.) In various different fights, if you assign different DPS classes to different tasks, it's going to change their totals and they can't be compared to each other. For example, in Ulduar, against XT, if you assign a couple people to Area-Effect-kill-the-bot-spawns duty, it's going to change their DPS totals vs. those who stay on the heart/XT. In a battle like Jaraxus, all the ranged attackers switching between the maidens and infernals is so random, as is your need to move to avoid various threats, the spawns might be out of range, etc. This makes your DPS often quite random, so not a good measure. The only real valuable DPS measure is when one is on a single target, without having to move, hitting your rotation nonstop.

For the record, I have no idea how people hit 9k DPS against a single target without mitigating circumstances. I'm lucky to top 6K, and I have decent gear (mostly 226-245.)

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
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That's my point. It's like saying a windsock is a good device for measuring wind direction when the actual application is a hurricane.

I can run all day and build up awesome speed and footwork, but that doesn't mean I'm going to be a great running back or 1 guard. The ability to do awesome DPS in a static situation doesn't always translate over to the ability to do it in more complex situations.

I know players who do 7k on PW (my best is mid 5's on 10m) but I can beat them on even mildly difficult fights like Satharion because of minor amount of movement required.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Fixed!

hehe

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Holy shitsnacks!

I hate having to move in a fight like that. Most of my damage comes from shots that require me to stand still to use (marksman gets huge chunks of its damage from autoshot, steady shot, and the like). All the so-called "tactics" of these ridiculously overengineered fights don't make them more fun. They just make them frantic. I hate when they try to make an RPG into an action game...if a game like Dragon Age which lets you pause and select your tactics actually worked multiplayer, I'd prefer it. (but of course it doesn't, for obvious reasons.)

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Hardly. There's nothing pratical about the encounter because it's so plain. That makes it an impratical metric in terms of applicability to typical raid (hell even regular instance) encounters.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Yeah, melee have to deal with it to. I don't typically like the over dynamic fights for the sake of sheer technical aspect. I do like them when they are fun. MC had no cool fights. BWL had many (Razorgore, Vaelestrasz, Chromaggus and Nefarion).

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

I like the movement, it makes me really pay attention and be engaged. Mimiron comes to mind as an excellent example. And the tunnel run I just did in the second 5 man is awesome and fun.

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---The Daily Show

Being able to maintain good dps, while moving around and adjusting to the shifting situation is what separates the men from the boys.

Unfortunately Taly is neither.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

She's a hunter, I'm sure her dps is fine :p

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Holy shitsnacks!

I'm amazed at how much easier it is to get good numbers leveling my huinter than it was with my pally.

I'm sure some of it has to do with experience, but I'm close to breaking 2k at level 76, specced BM, and not pushing the edge of my abilities.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Unfortunate for the analogy, not for her DPS.

/bonk

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I may be a woman, but Tahlla is a female Orc. That makes her more man than any of you nancy boys.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Zyerne is female too, so that's not much of an insult.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

It's why I generally top DPS meters even though I shouldn't be, by rights. Over time, though, our Guild DPS has got a lot better. We have a mage and a DK that I struggle over the top spot with.

Taly - it's not the size of your toon, it's how you...oh, nevermind.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

So has everyone done the 3 new instances? Good stuff. I'm not huge on the lore but I enjoyed the final instance (Halls of Reflection I think it is?). I wont post any spoilers but the quest line and ending is neat. Fairly challenging too on heroic as opposed to the stomping I was used to on the other instances.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Indeed, it's nice to have some instances where people actually have to pay some attention to what they are doing and were CC is actually useful again.

Even regular HoR almost stomped the group I was with.

But than tanks and AE aggro are screwed up badly now, as respects positioning. Not sure what the new patch did, but it was not nice to tanks.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Not really. Peak practical DPS is what you can achieve in game in ideal circumstances. Peak practicable DPS depends on the fight and its various mechanics/complications.

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In doing the first two fights in ICC... our DPS has taken a HUGE hit.

Gorramn movement fights. THank god Marrowgar's hitbox is so ginormous, or I'd spend even MORE time off target.

Running back and forth killing trash mobs in the Deathwhisper fight? Bleh. That sucks too.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Eh, they aren't that bad.

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Yeh, they're not *bad*, but I'm built to sit in combat and beat stuff down. If I can't do that, why bring me? If a hunter/mage/lock/etc can do better DPS than a rogue *because* of the fight mechanics... its not really a fair thing.

At least DB Saurfang looks like a stand there and rip off good DPS for 10 mins

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Holy shitsnacks!

How fast you mash the buttons?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

HoR on heroic is still a bit of a nail biter for my peeps. And that makes it very fun. We have the waves down pat now between myself and a priest. But the last section is still down to the wire. I am inevitably looking at a big white pie plate of doom just before the wall comes down.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show