The Glade 4.0

Religion of peace my ***.

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Holy shitsnacks!

I really do not see it as being a breech of religion of peace. I see this more as being fed up with the rules and the beginning of demanding change.

Women's Liberation for the middle east and all that.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Sorry, that was my kneejerk reaction to Muslim on Muslim violence.

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Holy shitsnacks!

While admittedly likely, why assume they are Muslim?

Why is this awesome? They should have just disobeyed him, not beat him.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Because ~99.6% of Iranians are Muslim.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

According to the article, the incident occured in Iran, involved a cleric and 2 girls who were on the way to a mosque to pray, and afterwards he mentioned "Islamic Hijab".

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No, angry Middle Eastern women really do need to kick the **** out of a few clergymen.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

This

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Holy shitsnacks!

Like a dog to a bone...

What channel will they be showing her execution on?

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

The cleric was on the way to the mosque for prayers, not necessarily the women.

Maybe, but reading a little between the lines it seems to me the cleric escalated it when he told them "to put a lid on what he felt was verbal abuse". Based on past reports of how clerics treat women over there, I highly suspect that he wasn't cordial and it wouldn't surprise me if he started the physical altercation and then got his *** handed to him.

Either way, based on my readings of how women are treated in that part of the world, most men could probably use an *** kicking or two by women over there.

And yet there was, what, a greater than 99% chance they were Muslim and you're still pursuing this?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

So you're admitting you're not absolutely sure they were Muslim. /ducks

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

If you don't know, you don't know...

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

I think we can safely assume the cleric was not on the way to the mosque for the women.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Re: 99%... I wonder how Muslim Iran really is. Sure, a whole bunch of people may profess to be Muslim, but when sharia's answer to apostates is execution, would you really expect anyone to say any different? You bet your *** I'm the 99%.

That's probably true, but even if it is, the number of non-muslim "muslims" is probably pretty, not more than a few percent at the absolute most.

Iraq is 97% muslim, and it's never been run by a religious government in the way Iran was. Under Saddam, the number of non-muslims was higher (Saddam was surprisingly tolerant of Christianity) but still we're only talking about half a million people difference or so; the muslim population was still well in excess of 90%

Now, how devoutly muslim Iranians are, that's another question.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Apostate doesn't mean "non-muslim". Apostate means "renounced X", where in this case X = Islam. It's fine with sharia not to be muslim, as long as you never were muslim.

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I probably should have qualified what I was getting at a little better. Iran may be 98-99% "Muslim" but I highly doubt that means it's 98-99% full of strict doctrinal adherents.

I was baptized when I was two months old, and for me, a formal renunciation of Catholicism would mean excommunication. For a Muslim living somewhere where sharia might be applied to say "you know what, this sucks and these people are crazy, I'm out" is a death sentence. Unfortunately, if your parents started raising you in a particular faith long before you had any understanding of your own about what that even meant, then leaving is apostasy, no? Granted I don't know all that much about Islam, and they may very well have some kind of confirmation of faith when children reach an age where they're expected to be able to reason for themselves.

Anyway, the upshot of all that is just that I saw a number of 99% being tossed around, and doubted seriously that it was reasonable to just lump everyone together. Muslim-on-Muslim violence is sorta akin to saying Pentecostal-on-Lutheran violence like they're equivalent.

Or, maybe Amish-on-Amish violence… /smh

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html

Judging by how easily clerics whip their flocks into frenzies, and the frequency with which they do so, I don't think there's any real expectation that their members be able to reason at all.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Not all muslims, or even Iranian muslims, are created equal, but if we were talking about the overall breakdown of the United States as far as religion goes, it would not be out of line to lump Lutherans, Pentecostals, and Amish together as Christians.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Fair enough, but at the same time I think there's a great deal of difference between the snake-handling, speaking-in-tongues types, and your run of the mill Episcopalian. Just like there's a distinction to be made between the "Muslim" who tells a woman to cover herself, and the "Muslim" who had a crappy day one day, decided enough was enough and thwacked the dude.