The Glade 4.0

They aren't the same.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

To be fair to Farsky, if that's the only visible difference between the candidates, then good or not, it's the only way to make your decision.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Ideally, I'd like for both to happen. But the Republicans won't pull their heads out of their asses (which, you have to admit...is kinda gay) on social issues. And Republicans have shown no ability to do anything whatsoever that would actually fix the economy. So since neither are going to get Steve and Bob back to work, at least let 'em be married while they're in poverty.

But Obama hasn't done **** for gay marriage in four years.

So wait... both parties lie about their economic policies AND their social policies???

Stop the presses the D's and R's have both been force feeding us LIARS!

#TimeForANewConstitutionalConvention

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To be fair to Farsky, if that's the only thing he can see then I don't think he is looking hard enough. But...I guess it really doesn't matter. A huge chunk of the population is basing their vote on skin color, that's about as pathetic as basing your vote on who has sex with who I guess.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Nitefox is the one who suddenly narrowed the discussion to a gay marriage strawman-on-man. It's readily apparent that while neither is perfect, progressives are far more progressive on social issues than conservatives (because...duh). You pays your money and you takes your chances.

I brought up one main social issue that is talked about on these boards, sue me for cutting to the chase.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Progressive is not necessarily progress, nor good. (Nor am I talking about gay marriage)

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I'm glad you agree that this is the starting point of the right's analysis of racial issues (though I would note that 20 years ago - i.e. 1992 - conservatives were saying that systemic racism had already been dead and gone for about 20 years at that point). That aside, on what basis do you call it an "observation" rather than an assumption when the vast bulk of the studies and surveys on the subject point in the other direction?

What makes you say that?

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My guess would be Comedy Central.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

FIFY

So long as government systems are set up to reward people who claim institutional racism still exists - there will always be a large contingent of professionals and experts whose income depends on those rewards who will always claim it exists.

The only way to kill racism is to not have laws that contain any references to race.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

No. Its better for Steve and Bob to get married than not.

Under either pres, they won't have jobs. So erring on the side of increased social freedoms (whether I partake of them or not) is the right thing to do.

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Holy shitsnacks!

If Obama had any interest in making it legal for gays to marry why didn't he do it already?

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Its not just that single issue.

I believe that Romney will be worse overall for social policies and equally as bad as Obama for economic issues.

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Holy shitsnacks!

I'm still waiting to hear Nitefox's answer to my question.

Also, no where in that video clip does Obama actually mention race. He only compares the government's responses between 3 major disasters in recent memory.

Because congress won't pass it. The president doesn't have the power you seem to think he does.

However, what Obama has done is not pursue an agenda *against* gay marriage. Its a subtle but important difference.

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Holy shitsnacks!

That was directed at me? Did I make a statement that I found something objectionable? All I did was say this can't be good for him.

Put down the Obama pom-poms for a second and look at this video, what he had to say, who he was talking about, the way he went about it...and tell me with a straight face that you don't think it's that big a deal.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

how about during the two years the drms had total majorities? he could have done something then. oh wait he had not yet evolved!

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

Biden had to evolve for him. All these folks worshiping at The One's feet are fooling themselves if they thinks Obama would have come out with that on his own.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

I'll take ineffectual hope over blind idealogical opposition any day.

Ohhhh...so you watch Comedy Central and your eyes are open to make informed choices...but I post links to real journalist that link to real facts and I'm the blind one...Got ya chief.

Keep hoping FarSky...you've already got a job so don't need to worry about the economy. Bob and Steve need a piece of paper!!

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

So if POTUS can't make it legal and cannot prevent States from making it legal so what relevance this have to anything?

I am voting for Gary Johnson because he is not anti-Cleveland Browns.

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What the ever-lovin' **** are you talking about?