The Glade 4.0

"Turn the lights down, the party just got wilder."
It is currently Sat Nov 23, 2024 3:53 am

View unanswered posts | View active topics


Board index » The Glade » Hellfire

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]



Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 5 of 5
  [ 121 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
Aizle
 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:44 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:36 am
Posts: 4320
Quote:
5. Recent social psychology research clearly indicates that there is a direct relationship between gratuitously violent movies/video games and desensitization to real violence and increased aggressive behavior particularly in children and young adults (See Nicholas L. Carnagey, et al. 2007. “The effect of video game violence on physiological desensitization to real-life violence” and the references therein. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology 43:489-496). Therefore, we strongly recommend that gratuitous violence in movies and video games be discouraged. War and war-like behavior should not be glorified. Hollywood and video game producers are exploiting something they know nothing about. General Sherman famously said “War is Hell!” Leave war to the Professionals. War is not a game and should not be “sold” as entertainment to our children.


I thought this had been debunked as BS and that there was no correlation.
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Rorinthas
 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:16 pm 
Offline
pbp Hack
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:45 pm
Posts: 7585
Doesn't matter if it's true or not. If you feel its an issue, filter your own household. Its not that difficult. In order for the government to step in you need a whole lot more than the small percentage of actual gamers committing mass murders.

_________________
I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
DFK!
 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:24 pm 
Offline
The Game Master.
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:01 pm
Posts: 3729
Rorinthas wrote:
Doesn't matter if it's true or not. If you feel its an issue, filter your own household. Its not that difficult. In order for the government to step in you need a whole lot more than the small percentage of actual gamers committing mass murders.


Yea I'm not sure that the research is very definitive either way, but let's take important note that they didn't express a desire for legislation on that matter, just that such violence "should be discouraged."

To me this includes market solutions.

_________________
“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Lenas
 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:26 pm 
Offline
Web Ninja
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:32 pm
Posts: 8248
Location: The Tunt Mansion
Rorinthas wrote:
Doesn't matter if it's true or not.


Does not compute.
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Aizle
 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:36 am
Posts: 4320
DFK! wrote:
Rorinthas wrote:
Doesn't matter if it's true or not. If you feel its an issue, filter your own household. Its not that difficult. In order for the government to step in you need a whole lot more than the small percentage of actual gamers committing mass murders.


Yea I'm not sure that the research is very definitive either way, but let's take important note that they didn't express a desire for legislation on that matter, just that such violence "should be discouraged."

To me this includes market solutions.


Sure, however my concern is the propagation of misinformation.
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Rafael
 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:37 pm 
Offline
Perfect Equilibrium
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:27 pm
Posts: 3127
Location: Coffin Corner
Lenas wrote:
Rorinthas wrote:
Doesn't matter if it's true or not.


Does not compute.


It doesn't matter because no one is compelled to be exposed to allegedly violence-inducing media.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2

_________________
"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
TheRiov
 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:41 pm 
Offline
Rihannsu Commander

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:31 am
Posts: 4709
Location: Cincinnati OH
Rorinthas wrote:
Doesn't matter if it's true or not. If you feel its an issue, filter your own household. Its not that difficult. In order for the government to step in you need a whole lot more than the small percentage of actual gamers committing mass murders.



I'm not sure that follows. forgive the rather bizarre example, but if Taking X recreational drug caused no harmful effects in 99.99% of the population but in that .01% of the population, it triggered a small explosion that killed everyone in a 20' you can bet it would be banned. If violent video games factually CAUSED (not 'increased likelihood' or 'just one of 10 factors', but actually caused) then perhaps we could look at banning them.

However, no such research exists. There is some evidence that it does desensitize to violence, and in the short term does seem to increase the likelihood of violent reactions, but apparently the effect is usually short lived. In fact, violent video games are actually being looked at to treat some people with PTSD (allowing them to relive previous violent events in a safe way and allow them deal with past trauma)
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Rorinthas
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:56 pm 
Offline
pbp Hack
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:45 pm
Posts: 7585
Point is if you are worried about the effect of violent video games (or even exploding staw-drugs) you can just say no. I know a few people who take a " not even orcs" approach with their children and video violence. I find that a bit extreme but hey its their children.

Personally I find that shooters allow me to vent any violence stress harmlessly at pixels.

_________________
I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"


Last edited by Rorinthas on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Lenas
 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:59 pm 
Offline
Web Ninja
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:32 pm
Posts: 8248
Location: The Tunt Mansion
Sad that they put so little faith in their children.
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Rorinthas
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:04 pm 
Offline
pbp Hack
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:45 pm
Posts: 7585
Like I said personally I think that's a bit harsh. Skyler wasn't allowed to watch his dad and I play socom until he was old enough to know the difference. I thought this was reasonable and we complied.

_________________
I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
FarSky
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:06 pm 
Offline
Near Ground
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:38 pm
Posts: 6782
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Actual US senator's words: "Video games is a bigger problem than guns, because video games affect people."

http://kotaku.com/5980247/video-games-a ... us-senator

Also, "gamers have no credibility in this argument."

http://kotaku.com/5980140/california-se ... quiet-down


Last edited by FarSky on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Khross
 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:08 pm 
Offline
Evil Bastard™
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:07 am
Posts: 7542
Location: Doomstadt, Latveria
Quote:
The American Liberal has an overwhelming lack of patience; the American Democrat has less.
The truth of the above aphorism is never more abundantly clear than when some lunatic shoots up some place with people in it for no reason other than their own lunacy.

_________________
Corolinth wrote:
Facism is not a school of thought, it is a racial slur.
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Hannibal
 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:20 am 
Offline
Has a plan
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:51 pm
Posts: 1584
Lenas wrote:
Sad that they put so little faith in their children.


And so little time educating, talking to or parenting them.

_________________
A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Talya
 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:25 pm 
Offline
Oberon's Playground
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:11 am
Posts: 9449
Location: Your Dreams
Lenas wrote:
Sad that they put so little faith in their children.


To play Devil's Advocate a moment...

Tabula rasa. It's not a matter of faith. If you believe a newborn is an empty canvas, that the world will paint on as it sees fit, and that the sum total of who you are is a result of your experiences, then it makes sense that controlling those experiences will change who the person becomes.

_________________
Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
█ ♣ █
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Lydiaa
 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:13 am 
Offline
Asian Blonde

Joined: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:14 pm
Posts: 2075
Quote:
if Taking X recreational drug caused no harmful effects in 99.99% of the population but in that .01% of the population, it triggered a small explosion that killed everyone in a 20' you can bet it would be banned.


Not true, some medicines may have mental disorder as a side effect, or heartattacks (traffic accidents).

Some simply lists death, but not how you'll die. So explosion may be an option :thumbs:
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
TheRiov
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:58 am 
Offline
Rihannsu Commander

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:31 am
Posts: 4709
Location: Cincinnati OH
There is still the impression that those people could have controlled their actions if they were stronger willed. I chose the ridiculous example of exploding, to take that out of the equation.
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Diamondeye
 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:35 pm 
Offline
Commence Primary Ignition
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:59 am
Posts: 15740
Location: Combat Information Center
Lydiaa wrote:
Quote:
if Taking X recreational drug caused no harmful effects in 99.99% of the population but in that .01% of the population, it triggered a small explosion that killed everyone in a 20' you can bet it would be banned.


Not true, some medicines may have mental disorder as a side effect, or heartattacks (traffic accidents).

Some simply lists death, but not how you'll die. So explosion may be an option :thumbs:


You can't switch "medicine" to "recreational drug" and then claim the argument isn't valid.
That said, "desensitizing people to violence" is not "causes the violence". People always say "desensitizes" as if that's inherently bad. Why is it bad if people are "desensitized" to violence? I'd say "sensitivity" to violence is really just a state of privilege where, because violence is so much rarer than it has been for most peoples throughout history, we have an overly high degree of sensitivity to it.

_________________
"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
DFK!
 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:11 pm 
Offline
The Game Master.
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:01 pm
Posts: 3729
Diamondeye wrote:
I'd say "sensitivity" to violence is really just a state of privilege where, because violence is so much rarer than it has been for most peoples throughout history, we have an overly high degree of sensitivity to it.


Indeed. In relatively terms, the "civilized" countries are so non-violent compared to even, say, 2 centuries ago, as to be almost laughable when people say we have a violent society.

_________________
“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
FarSky
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:42 pm 
Offline
Near Ground
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:38 pm
Posts: 6782
Location: Chattanooga, TN
http://kotaku.com/5982842/oh-come-on-67 ... -than-guns
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Rorinthas
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:47 pm 
Offline
pbp Hack
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:45 pm
Posts: 7585
The poll itself seems weighted and based in false equuvilence. You could likely substitute video games with anything and get similiar results.

_________________
I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
shuyung
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:26 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:49 pm
Posts: 3455
Location: St. Louis, MO
Based on the reported targets of that poll question, one can speculate, and probably not be too far off. First, >=45 and Republican would tend to suggest that demographic to have a much higher average familiarity with firearms than with video games. Experience is an amazing thing, the more of it you have with something, the less you tend to fear that thing.

_________________
Image
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 5 of 5
  [ 121 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Board index » The Glade » Hellfire

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 297 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group