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Aizle
 Post subject: Re: Gun Control
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:44 pm 
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5. Recent social psychology research clearly indicates that there is a direct relationship between gratuitously violent movies/video games and desensitization to real violence and increased aggressive behavior particularly in children and young adults (See Nicholas L. Carnagey, et al. 2007. “The effect of video game violence on physiological desensitization to real-life violence” and the references therein. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology 43:489-496). Therefore, we strongly recommend that gratuitous violence in movies and video games be discouraged. War and war-like behavior should not be glorified. Hollywood and video game producers are exploiting something they know nothing about. General Sherman famously said “War is Hell!” Leave war to the Professionals. War is not a game and should not be “sold” as entertainment to our children.


I thought this had been debunked as BS and that there was no correlation.
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Doesn't matter if it's true or not. If you feel its an issue, filter your own household. Its not that difficult. In order for the government to step in you need a whole lot more than the small percentage of actual gamers committing mass murders.

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Doesn't matter if it's true or not. If you feel its an issue, filter your own household. Its not that difficult. In order for the government to step in you need a whole lot more than the small percentage of actual gamers committing mass murders.


Yea I'm not sure that the research is very definitive either way, but let's take important note that they didn't express a desire for legislation on that matter, just that such violence "should be discouraged."

To me this includes market solutions.

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Doesn't matter if it's true or not.


Does not compute.
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Doesn't matter if it's true or not. If you feel its an issue, filter your own household. Its not that difficult. In order for the government to step in you need a whole lot more than the small percentage of actual gamers committing mass murders.


Yea I'm not sure that the research is very definitive either way, but let's take important note that they didn't express a desire for legislation on that matter, just that such violence "should be discouraged."

To me this includes market solutions.


Sure, however my concern is the propagation of misinformation.
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Doesn't matter if it's true or not.


Does not compute.


It doesn't matter because no one is compelled to be exposed to allegedly violence-inducing media.

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Doesn't matter if it's true or not. If you feel its an issue, filter your own household. Its not that difficult. In order for the government to step in you need a whole lot more than the small percentage of actual gamers committing mass murders.



I'm not sure that follows. forgive the rather bizarre example, but if Taking X recreational drug caused no harmful effects in 99.99% of the population but in that .01% of the population, it triggered a small explosion that killed everyone in a 20' you can bet it would be banned. If violent video games factually CAUSED (not 'increased likelihood' or 'just one of 10 factors', but actually caused) then perhaps we could look at banning them.

However, no such research exists. There is some evidence that it does desensitize to violence, and in the short term does seem to increase the likelihood of violent reactions, but apparently the effect is usually short lived. In fact, violent video games are actually being looked at to treat some people with PTSD (allowing them to relive previous violent events in a safe way and allow them deal with past trauma)
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Point is if you are worried about the effect of violent video games (or even exploding staw-drugs) you can just say no. I know a few people who take a " not even orcs" approach with their children and video violence. I find that a bit extreme but hey its their children.

Personally I find that shooters allow me to vent any violence stress harmlessly at pixels.

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Sad that they put so little faith in their children.
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Like I said personally I think that's a bit harsh. Skyler wasn't allowed to watch his dad and I play socom until he was old enough to know the difference. I thought this was reasonable and we complied.

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Actual US senator's words: "Video games is a bigger problem than guns, because video games affect people."

http://kotaku.com/5980247/video-games-a ... us-senator

Also, "gamers have no credibility in this argument."

http://kotaku.com/5980140/california-se ... quiet-down


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The truth of the above aphorism is never more abundantly clear than when some lunatic shoots up some place with people in it for no reason other than their own lunacy.

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Lenas wrote:
Sad that they put so little faith in their children.


And so little time educating, talking to or parenting them.

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Lenas wrote:
Sad that they put so little faith in their children.


To play Devil's Advocate a moment...

Tabula rasa. It's not a matter of faith. If you believe a newborn is an empty canvas, that the world will paint on as it sees fit, and that the sum total of who you are is a result of your experiences, then it makes sense that controlling those experiences will change who the person becomes.

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if Taking X recreational drug caused no harmful effects in 99.99% of the population but in that .01% of the population, it triggered a small explosion that killed everyone in a 20' you can bet it would be banned.


Not true, some medicines may have mental disorder as a side effect, or heartattacks (traffic accidents).

Some simply lists death, but not how you'll die. So explosion may be an option :thumbs:
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There is still the impression that those people could have controlled their actions if they were stronger willed. I chose the ridiculous example of exploding, to take that out of the equation.
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if Taking X recreational drug caused no harmful effects in 99.99% of the population but in that .01% of the population, it triggered a small explosion that killed everyone in a 20' you can bet it would be banned.


Not true, some medicines may have mental disorder as a side effect, or heartattacks (traffic accidents).

Some simply lists death, but not how you'll die. So explosion may be an option :thumbs:


You can't switch "medicine" to "recreational drug" and then claim the argument isn't valid.
That said, "desensitizing people to violence" is not "causes the violence". People always say "desensitizes" as if that's inherently bad. Why is it bad if people are "desensitized" to violence? I'd say "sensitivity" to violence is really just a state of privilege where, because violence is so much rarer than it has been for most peoples throughout history, we have an overly high degree of sensitivity to it.

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I'd say "sensitivity" to violence is really just a state of privilege where, because violence is so much rarer than it has been for most peoples throughout history, we have an overly high degree of sensitivity to it.


Indeed. In relatively terms, the "civilized" countries are so non-violent compared to even, say, 2 centuries ago, as to be almost laughable when people say we have a violent society.

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The poll itself seems weighted and based in false equuvilence. You could likely substitute video games with anything and get similiar results.

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Based on the reported targets of that poll question, one can speculate, and probably not be too far off. First, >=45 and Republican would tend to suggest that demographic to have a much higher average familiarity with firearms than with video games. Experience is an amazing thing, the more of it you have with something, the less you tend to fear that thing.

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